Discussion 01:02 The Ogre Bombardier

[Greebo]

Why would a magical effect have anything to do with how an ogre pulling a cart would otherwise move?

The latter is based on the ogre's ability to actually pull the cart based on mass/strength, etc.

The spell effect is a spell effect. I don't think the two are really related.

If I'm really slow and overloaded and can only move one square per turn and some mob can magically pick me up and throw me, my lack of movement ability shouldn't effect the spell effect.

In this case it should mess the cart up because the ogre is moving in contrast to physics.
The harness is rather strong and complex. (Enough so that it would take two standard actions to remove it were the hobs to try). That tells me that if the ogre backs up, the wagon (4 wheels) is going to back up with him. If it were a cart (2 wheels) I'd agree with your assessment.

The wagon, the casks, and even the goblins, contribute to the weight, which is what's halving the movement. Because of the added weight, I was considering that to have a counter effect on the slide as well - because it isn't just the ogre being slid, it's the whole contraption.

I see your point about magic vs physics, but it's kind of a moot point, if I'm understanding your intention (tip the cart).

[EricStratton]

Ogre - seeing a threat to smash, the Ogre drops the lit cask, which falls in square I8 but does not detonate. Yet. The Ogre grabs a greatclub from his back, roars, and swings at Shere, connecting mightily, nearly bringing him to his knees. (27-21:6; bloodied. really really bloodied)
Daaaamn! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8A4CoKiAsc)

[Greebo]

Daaaamn! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8A4CoKiAsc)

Attriel, are you delaying action then?

no, i'm doing a double move which leaves me a minor. can't do much with that.

also why i stayed a square back from the corner. no need to run out and get whacked!

I gave him a chance! I don't know why he insists on making me hurt him like this!

Why do you make me hurt you like this???

[attriel]

I'd like to take this opportunity to say:

Erk


I'd say more, but I believe my lungs have just been crushed.

Did I move back a square or anything from taht blow? :o

[Greebo]

I'd like to take this opportunity to say:

Erk


I'd say more, but I believe my lungs have just been crushed.

Did I move back a square or anything from taht blow? :o

I gave it serious thought...

[Quervo]

I posted that i was changing actions... Have to wait for Hob's to say for sure WHAT if ANYTHING i can do for Tor

[Greebo]

Yep, understood.

[attriel]

To be fair, I stopped well back from the corner, it just stood there, so I moved in to attack.

Then it smeared me into pate, that part i'm opposed to :o

[Zyzzyx]

Then it smeared me into pate, that part i'm used to :o
^^^ That's how I read that. :rotflmao:

[Greebo]

To be fair, I stopped well back from the corner, it just stood there, so I moved in to attack.

Then it smeared me into pate, that part i'm opposed to :o
Well, yeah - you move *before* it! Last round it threw a toy to you. This round you stepped into its melee range before it got its turn to play!

[Greebo]

Hmm. Does unconsciousness end marks? I'm assuming it does...

[attriel]

As far as being out of reach ... I might be within the 10', but he's standing between teh buildings and not out at all yet, meaning that for this round at least, I am out of reach i think

If he moves forward one square I'm back in, but without moving I don't think he can hit me

not that it matters, I move before him and will either move further (because he can move one square and womp at me again) or closer to attack ... my ac is much improved from our last encounter, mr ogre!!!

[Greebo]

As far as being out of reach ... I might be within the 10', but he's standing between teh buildings and not out at all yet, meaning that for this round at least, I am out of reach i think
Sorry, bud, but he has line of sight, he has line of effect, he has reach. From the top right corner of his space, he can reach 3 corners of yours, so you have cover, but you are attackable.

not that it matters, I move before him and will either move further (because he can move one square and womp at me again) or closer to attack ... my ac is much improved from our last encounter, mr ogre!!!

Lets hope that + cover does the trick...cause he has a heck of a combat skill...

[Greebo]

I'm a little curious, btw... you are aware that you cast a curse on the ogre that only lasts 1 round, that says that if someone OTHER than the ogre attacks you, the ogre takes damage...
... and then moved completely out of LOS of the only other enemies in sight...

You are aware of that right? ;)

[Sagar]

Sorry for the delay. I was trying to figure out if I could cast a close burst spell on a diagonal to get the ogre but not the party.

I can't find any way of making the 3x3 square "diagonal" but the PHB does allow it to originate in a square diagonally adjacent.

[Greebo]

Quervo: You are asking to grab and drag a conscious ally as a single standard action, and more than one square ("as far as I can"). Were she unconscious, such a move would provoke OA against both you and her (ogre reach 2), and I would seek confirmation anyway. As she is conscious, you cannot move her against her will, and for her to move is an action on her turn, so she cannot agree.

I'm not inclined to allow this as it seems to bypass movement rules.

I'll hear arguments before a final decision, however.

[attriel]

erg, bad day at work

[Sagar]

Bah! Now I can't blow up the cart without getting Jac in process.

*grumble grumble*

[Greebo]

Notes to self for future reference:
- Temp hps do NOT stack
- Slide doesn't automatically mean "can swap"

Not retroacting myself, just reminding myself not to forget.

[Greebo]

Bah! Now I can't blow up the cart without getting Jac in process.

*grumble grumble*

You wouldn't have survived in your current state anyway... ;)

[Sagar]

We need to capture the last one if we can. Kill him if we can't.
You can attack to knock unconscious rather than kill. If you drop the mob to 0 with a knockout blow, it goes unconscious instead of dying.

[Greebo]

Knock it out, he says...as he hits it with an 18 out of 20 and a 15 damage..heheheh

[Sagar]

I guess I got carried away.

It was tactically a bad thing to do.

But it FELT SOOO good!