Group 4: Part 5 - The Keep Discussion

[EricStratton]

Poor, Maz, the pincushion. I'm not sure we've had bad guys make rolls like that before. I thought "19 AC and +2? There's no way."

[Shiz]

Make for the East tunnels so the other guys have to com to us.

[Greebo]

Perfect opportunity to set up an ambush right here - duck in around Maz.

[Moonshadow]

Just a clarification - when Greebs teleports and hides I can't see him either right?

[Greebo]

It's concealment, not invisibility. I'm reading it as being enveloped by shadows...so you know where I am, I'm just harder to see.

[Moonshadow]

Okay so I can keep excluding you from AE's without guilt. :D

[Greebo]

Okay so I can keep excluding you from AE's without guilt. :D

Yes please. I may be infernal, but I prefer my steak rare - especially when *I* am the steak! ;)

[Zyzzyx]

He's a witch... BURN HIM!!!


Oh wait, she is too. Hmm...



Actually, been looking forward to Cilene's development. Looks like Moonie is going for more of a damage wizard, while with Solak I'm going more for control. Curious to watch how the other side lives. ;)

[Greebo]

Quervo: http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1182606

Question on first aid and the unconscious

[EricStratton]

Healing the Dying (pg 295 PHB):

Regain Hit Points: When you are dying and receive
healing, you go to 0 hit points and then regain hit
points from the healing effect. If the healing effect
requires you to spend a healing surge but you have
none left, you are restored to 1 hit point.

First Aid (pg 185 PHB):

Use Second Wind: Make a DC 10 Heal check to
allow an adjacent character to use his or her second
wind (page 291) without the character having to
spend an action. The character doesn’t gain the
defense bonuses normally granted by second wind.

So I guess the question is "can an unconscious person use a second wind". I believe that the *spirit* of First Aid is for Maz to be healed (assuming the First Aid is successful). I'll wait until the WotC discussion is wrapped up to decide officially.

[Quervo]

I have no problem either way... I just dont want to break rules to save my self....

[EricStratton]

Understood. I'd just like to get it right. I'm going to allow it. The WotC ppl agree and I think it jives w/ the spirit of the power. Now, if only Greebo hadn't flubbed it....

[Greebo]

Another point in defense of first aid allowing unconscious people to use a surge.

The text says that first aid allows the target to use second wind without taking an action.
Usually second wind is an action.
Unconscious people are expressly forbidden from taking actions.

If second wind can be used without taking an action, an unconscious person can do it.

[Greebo]

Burst in and attempt to gain surprise?

[Sagar]

We could open the door and I can drop in an AoE then move aside (if they are close to the door)
I would have to make sure I didn't nuke any townfolk, though.

[Moonshadow]

Simultaneous AE's. I'm in for a blast.

Saddly Din blew my wizard 'sploit or I'd just put the room to sleep.
;)

[Greebo]

The old Kobold leader *might* be in any of these rooms. We should be careful about any kobolds until we know who they side with.

[Sagar]

We hide, two on each side, and someone opens the door, says, "Uhm.. excuse me, I was looking for the bathroom," closes the door, and runs..

[Shiz]

In game terms, someone should open the door and bellow at whatever is in there to come out and help with new supplies. Bluff check.

[Greebo]

That would be me then...
... anyone got any ability to buff my defenses first?

[Shiz]

I will be a pet at your side if that will help, some kind of fey wolf or panther.

[Greebo]

Did I ever tell you, I have a mild phobia of dogs? I really don't like you in dog form.

Sorry.

I was going to play this to the max, and have Greebo *always* move away from you in combat in wolf form (stress situation, phobia amplified) but it would have been too crippling to the combat in a couple occasions...

[Shiz]

I can do a bear, or a goat, or a giant badger! Rend's power is Primal so he is not limited to strict forms. He can blend them.

Remember that combat is fast and you are probably focusing on something other than my form.

[Greebo]

I can do a bear, or a goat, or a giant badger! Rend's power is Primal so he is not limited to strict forms. He can blend them.

Remember that combat is fast and you are probably focusing on something other than my form.
Yes, that was the point. Greebo's low level phobia about dogs was going to kick in because he wasn't focusing on keeping his fear under control. In combat, if he could see you as a wolf, he was instinctively going to *always* move away from you, without realizing he was doing it, as a reaction to the dog form.

But in this pbp format, it doesn't translate too well, so I've dropped the idea.

Around the table, however, you'ld see me moving the wrong way, say "what are you doing?" and I'd be like, "Huh? What? Oh sorry!" and adjust the move some, until you figured out the "dog thing".

[noptov52]

Giant Badger + 1 to Bluff :P

[EricStratton]

Just so it's clear - I'm waiting for a final decision to be made and a move(s) to be posted in the Adventure thread. Of course, if I have to wait too long....

[Greebo]

Do your work, we're down Sagar and Quervo anyway.

[noptov52]

I say we go with the Tiefling bait/bluff and hope for the best. If things go sour, we can always saturation bomb the room :P

[Greebo]

Looks like we're in agreement then...

[Greebo]

...lets hope they're really stupid Goblins (bluff 15)

[Shiz]

DC 15 is moderate difficulty so we might squeak by.

[Greebo]

Try again?

[Moonshadow]

Try again?

Yep. I recommend whining.

Come onnnn, there's so much.

[Shiz]

Be angrier.

[Moonshadow]

Maz, instead of pulling him to C4, perhaps you could move to C5 and pull him to D5 between you and Rend. That puts him in position to be attacked by everyone according to their most effective abilities.

[Greebo]

Don't think he can - Lure requires a pull, iirc, which means the mob has to move closer to Maz.

Q that move totally boned Noppy's action as well.

[Shiz]

Rend's attack should go first. If it hits, then Jagged is adjacent and he can double crit. Then Greebo can move south. Maz can then Lure to C4 (which is closer) freeing Cilene to nuke.

If Rend misses, then Greebo should move. Maz can then Lure and Cilene can nuke. Jagged sits tight.

Remember, those two 20s will be used in this encounter. It will either be on the surprise round or the next round.

[Greebo]

No, Maz has a higher initiative, and goes before Rend, and unless tahts the toughest goblin ever (fort > 20?) it'll get pulled.

So then I'm shifting for 2 rounds.

We had a shot w/ Jagged's rolls to kill this guy as he walked out the door.

[noptov52]

Maz can delay his action till the end.

[Greebo]

That would be the best all around option IMO, but my impression was that he doesn't intend to do that, based on the "rethink options".

[Shiz]

If Maz pulls immediately, then Rend and Jagged cannot attack this round and Greebo is kind of stuck. It is not optimal, but also not serious since the Gimp is not likely to thwack Greebo after the melee beating he will shortly receive.

[Quervo]

I will delay till end of round... it is not problem for me... I read everything till after i posted and then it was just now... busy morning

[Quervo]

Let me know where to fall into the INI order and i wil update my post..

[Greebo]

EDIT... Maz will deley till after Rend, if Rend Hits and pushes the gimp, he will delay till after Jagged

If Rend misses, Maz will Move to c5 and use an Action Point to use Lightning Lure to Drag the Gimp to D4

If Rend did hit, and it is still alive after Jagged mutilates the gimp I will use Aegis of Shielding on the gimp.

This is an initiative round. You get 1 action, and no use of action points.

[Quervo]

gahhh mother puss bucket

[Moonshadow]

Okay, I'm confused so I'm going to summarize what I think people have said - corrections welcomed!


Surprise round:
Initiative order
Cilene - 25
Maz - 19
Greebo - 18
Rend - 15
Jagged - 6
Sagar - dazed

Cilene - (holding)
Maz - Delay to after Rend a)Rend misses move to C5 and lightning lure, b)Rend hits use Aegis of Shielding
Greebo - Eldritch Blast for 13dmg
Rend - Chill Wind pushes target to D3, Dmg 19
Jagged - When target is in reach hack and slay
Sagar - Stands around

So based on that here's what I see happening:

Greebo - Eldritch Blast for 13dmg
Rend - Chill Wind pushes target to D3, Dmg 19
Maz - Delay to after Rend a)Rend misses move to C5 and lightning lure, b)Rend hits use Aegis of Shielding (betting on B)
Jagged - When target is in reach hack and slay (40dmg??)
Sagar - Stands around

[Greebo]

If rend hits, Maz is delaying till after Jagged so:

Greebo - Eldritch Blast for 13dmg
Rend - Chill Wind pushes target to D3, Dmg 19
Maz - Delay to after Rend a)Rend misses move to C5 and lightning lure, b)Rend hits use Aegis of Shielding (betting on B) Maz delays till after Jagged
Jagged - When target is in reach hack and slay (40dmg??)
Maz pulls the bloody corpse of The Gimp over to him and then attacks to add insult to injury
Sagar - Stands around

[Moonshadow]

Okay, put mine in as a readied action. That resolves me having to decide when to go :D

[Greebo]

Moon you can not move AND attack on a surprise round.

[Moonshadow]

Well hell I was so tied up in analyzing what was happening I forgot that.

[Moonshadow]

Does SS3 have any cover in the jail?

[Shiz]

No. The door is open and the bars are bars. I am in there though so don't AE!

[Greebo]

No. The door is open and the bars are bars. I am in there though so don't AE!

But its more fun if she does!

[Moonshadow]

No. The door is open and the bars are bars. I am in there though so don't AE!

Well can I see you? I mean if I have a blind spot it's not like it's my FAULT :twisted:

[Greebo]

Greebo blinds Cilene ... just... cause, you know? ;)

[Shiz]

Well can I see you? I mean if I have a blind spot it's not like it's my FAULT :twisted:

Yes you can see me. The bars are not concealment.

[Shiz]

Bloodcut Armor probably best for Jagged.

[noptov52]

I do wear hide armor and have a tendency to get bloodied ;)

[EricStratton]

I do wear hide armor and have a tendency to get bloodied ;)
Except that the armor the hobgoblin was wearing is leather.

[noptov52]

Ah, I was confused by

This hide armor provides a +1 enhancement bonus to AC

[EricStratton]

Ah, I was confused by
Bah, sorry. I thought I got all those cleaned up. No it's leather.

(My first "Edit when I meant to Quote" mistake. The trials of being a mod....)

[Shiz]

Well +1 leather = hide AC so at least you get the affect. Who is wearing leather other than Rend?

[noptov52]

It might be better to have Rend use it.

[Shiz]

Well, yeehaw...

Just realize that Rend now has 2/3 magic items discovered. He is in very good shape.

[Quervo]

Maz wears leather as well...

[Shiz]

Perfect for him then. Maz gets it. Editing character stats post.

[Quervo]

I am willing to pass the Amulet of Health on to who ever may need it more...

(I dont want to be a Loot Whore... While having a +1 to all my defenses is nice, I can settle for AC plus the effect)

[noptov52]

Was about to do add the cash loot on my character sheet, when I noticed Shiz edited Jagged yesterday - I presume to add the cash? I can't remember how much money Jagged had previously.

[Shiz]

Yes I added the cash. Everyone has 50g52s except for Sagar who had no cash listed so he just has what we just found.

[Greebo]

So we're going to leave the keep, and go back to the Kobold Lair? Won't that leave the keep in an alerted state now that they know someone's been here?

Still - if the Kobold leader is insistent...

[Shiz]

We butchered the front line. I am not sure how alert the rest of the keep will become.

[Greebo]

Hey, Gimp -- did you see the latest playgoblins? Gimp? OMG GIMP! MURDER!!!

[Greebo]

OMG Issitik stole the kill! Bastard ! GET HIM! ;)

[Greebo]

Moonie - DS 3 and 4 are on OUR side. Stop attacking them. :)

[Moonshadow]

Moonie - DS 3 and 4 are on OUR side. Stop attacking them. :)

Typo :( I meant 2, luckily I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn today.

Also, ASHARAD *shakes fist at sky* I believe I have cured your dice mojo by taking it on myself. Otherwise it's spreading and time for pandemic planning. Quarantine your dice!

[Greebo]

With all due respect, I believe your infection spread to him. You were famous for M5 before my campaign even started... ;)