OA discussion

[DinbinFanfoom]

Using a ranged weapon while adjacent to a melee opponent triggers an OA against you.Yeah, but a given melee opponent can only OA once on Marcus per round.

[attriel]

Yeah, but a given melee opponent can only OA once on Marcus per round.

Nope, rules say one OA per opponents turn. When orc 4 moves, if Marcus takes a shot, then Orcus gets a shot on Marcus. Different opponents turn. IF he did two shots during his action, via AP or such, I could only take one shot.

[Kiir]

Yeah, but a given melee opponent can only OA once on Marcus per round.


According to the compendium:

One per Combatant?s Turn: You can take only one opportunity action during another combatant?s turn, but you can take any number during a round.

So the OAs would come after orc 1 and 4 which are different combatants turns.

[DinbinFanfoom]

But Marcus attacks ARE OA's. I don't think OA's provoke OA's...

Although I admit I don't know anymore... It's an "opportunity action", which may be different.

[Shiz]

Correction: anyone can only make one OA per round. The target isn't the issue.

[Greebo]

Um...sorry to but in, but --- how is Marcus OAing with a bow?

[Greebo]

But Marcus attacks ARE OA's. I don't think OA's provoke OA's...
Yeah, they can

[Kiir]

Correction: anyone can only make one OA per round. The target isn't the issue.


No you can make as many per round as are available, but only one per turn. At least according to the compendium.

[DinbinFanfoom]

Correction: anyone can only make one OA per round. The target isn't the issue.From the PHB:

One per Combatant?s Turn: You can take only one
opportunity action during another combatant?s turn,
but you can take any number during a round.

[attriel]

1 OA per initiative per person

Orc 1 moves, triggers a (still questionable) OA from Marcus
Marcus uses a bow, triggers an OA from Orc 10
Orc 1 finishes moving

Orcs 2 and 3 go

Orc 4 moves, triggers a (still questionable) OA from Marcus
Marcus uses a bow, triggers an OA from Orc 10
Orc 4 finishes moving

The moving triggers the action from Marcus, Spitting Cobra
The bow triggers the action from Orc 10, Ranged while Adjacent

Each time the ACTIVE character changes (OAs do not change active characters), then everyone resets their OA counter to 1 available.

1 goes, Marcus goes 1->0, 10 goes 1->0
2 Begins, Margues goes 0->1, 10 goes 0->1
4 goes, Marcus goes 1->0, 10 goes 1->0
5 begins, Marcus goes 0->1, 10 goes 0->1

[attriel]

Correction: anyone can only make one OA per round. The target isn't the issue.

Target isn't the issue, who's turn it is is the issue

Once per round is 3e, once per opponents turn is 4e. Meaning that 10 orcs if they all moved could trigger 10 different OAs from each of 5 people. Assuming a lot of other things obviously.

[DinbinFanfoom]

No, I understand. I just find it a bit... odd. But it's the rules, so we run with it.
What I find odd is that OA's can trigger OA's... I can see how that might lead to a chain of... madness.

Edit: Just read somewhere that close blast spells don't trigger OA's, because they're not ranged. Interesting! "Close", duh.

[Greebo]

Why do you deem Marcus' OA's as questionable? In terms of the sense of taking them?

Also do take note - Combat Challenge, the fighter power tied to his mark, *is* one time per the fighters turn only, unlike OAs. THis is because CC is an immediate interrupt, and "immediates" can only be done once per turn.

[Kiir]

I think they are deemed questionable since he is giving marcus a chance to change his mind still, at least on the second one.

[Shiz]

Um...sorry to but in, but --- how is Marcus OAing with a bow?

I assumed his OA used his melee weapon. OAs have to be melee basic attacks. Some powers can modify ranged attacks to be melee basic attacks, but none exists to turn a ranged weapon into a melee basic attack that I know about.

[Greebo]

I assumed his OA used his melee weapon. OAs have to be melee basic attacks. Some powers can modify ranged attacks to be melee basic attacks, but none exists to turn a ranged weapon into a melee basic attack that I know about.

I read his character sheet and found the answer. ;)

[attriel]

Why do you deem Marcus' OA's as questionable? In terms of the sense of taking them?


I just still question using a greatbow from flat on your ass :o

But I'm not really arguing them, I just don't see how it'd work. But rules say it's only a -2, so it's a -2! Well, -2 and a greataxe in the chest :o

[attriel]

I assumed his OA used his melee weapon. OAs have to be melee basic attacks. Some powers can modify ranged attacks to be melee basic attacks, but none exists to turn a ranged weapon into a melee basic attack that I know about.

Spitting Cobra Stance lets him take a RBA against any opponent w/i 5 squares moving "closer" to him

It's quite fancy, really.

[Greebo]

I just still question using a greatbow from flat on your ass :o

But I'm not really arguing them, I just don't see how it'd work. But rules say it's only a -2, so it's a -2! Well, -2 and a greataxe in the chest :o

Oh yeah, that! LOL Yeah I know - I'm struggling with that one too...

Unlike Lycos, I *have* fired small arms rotated 90 % and the accuracy doing that is for ****. Way worse than 10% difference...

but oh well...

[DinbinFanfoom]

Unlike Lycos, I *have* fired small arms rotated 90 % and the accuracy doing that is for ****. Way worse than 10% difference...To be fair, Marcus is an expert ranger-archer and you're an IT consultant. :D

[attriel]

To be fair, Marcus is an expert ranger-archer and you're an IT consultant. :D

you best be steppin off. ain' no one dis the Greeb like that, yo.

:o

[Greebo]

To be fair, Marcus is an expert ranger-archer and you're an IT consultant. :D

Hey, I'll have you know that in the Navy my rating was Gunner's Mate - GUNS. That means, among other things, *small arms*.

Ok, so it was maintenance and repair, not shooting, but STILL!!!

[DinbinFanfoom]

Ok, so it was maintenance and repair, not shooting, but STILL!!!So you can string or repair a greatbow sideways while flat on your butt without provoking OA's? :D

I guess I'm of the opinion that Atty's take is right, though I'm sure if we dig hard enough, we can fashion a case where two opponents facing each other could OA each other to death in six seconds.

[Greebo]

So you can string or repair a greatbow sideways while flat on your butt without provoking OA's? :D

I guess I'm of the opinion that Atty's take is right, though I'm sure if we dig hard enough, we can fashion a case where two opponents facing each other could OA each other to death in six seconds.

Only if they were taking OA's on a LOT of other combatants. ;)

[DinbinFanfoom]

Only if they were taking OA's on a LOT of other combatants. ;)
All we have to do is find a power or feat that grants the ability to OA with a ranged weapon. Place two of these characters at point blank range and:

Ranger 1 does a ranged attack at Ranger 2. Triggering...
Ranger 2 does a ranged attack of opportunity on Ranger 1. Triggering...
Ranger 1 does a ranged attack of opportunity on Ranger 2. Triggering...

Repeat.

That said, I understand how Marcus/Zyx might not have assumed that the adjacent orc would OA every time he OA'd. I'd have made the same mistake.

[Kiir]

Won't work because it is only one OA per turn so after each tiggered an OA on the other they couldn't OA against each other again that turn.

[DinbinFanfoom]

Won't work because it is only one OA per turn so after each tiggered an OA on the other they couldn't OA against each other again that turn.
A true. You and your silly rules conspire against my attempt to create a fantasy-based Rube Goldberg machine.

[Zyzzyx]

That said, I understand how Marcus/Zyx might not have assumed that the adjacent orc would OA every time he OA'd. I'd have made the same mistake.

Ok, jumping in quick here. Lost external connection at work, then left, now in the airport in SLC, flight boards in 30 min.


So yeah, what he said. Not only did I not have the map loading at work, I forgot about the big guy being next to me and then didn't think through that he would/could OA me on my OAs.


Didn't think I'd open up a 55 gallon drum of worms.