Group 8: OOC & General discussion

[Shiz]

I am thinking that as the day wears on, more will come back. Now is probably a good time to strike or create a diversion.

[Asharad]

I'm a big fan of setting fire to villages.

Just saying.

[Lycos]

Lycos is out for blood to avenge Baladir. ;)

:lowlol:

[Asharad]

We are attacking, yes?

[EricStratton]

We are attacking, yes?
Erik is, hell yeah. He had the taste of combat and has fell in love.

[Lycos]

Should we leave one alive so that we can have Lamsi interogate them?

[Shiz]

Ash, update your map. There is no enemy near O8. OOps, you can sure throw that guy a long way!

[Lycos]

Yeah, blast 20. it's ridiculous.

Hush you! It's not ridiculous as long as it's to our advantage. :mrgreen:

If the mobs start doing it. I'm crying foul. :lowcool:

[DinbinFanfoom]

I'd like to request that papa gator be allowed to walk around the corner and bite that guy then. He can move 6 squares on his own and I would have had him do that but there is no way to tell where the doors are on the map.OK. How far into the hut will PG chase him?

[Asharad]

OK. How far into the hut will PG chase him?

Ever though this seems like a trick question I'm going to say as far as it takes to take a bite out of him.

The hut is probably full of savages, but I gotta imagine a giant ghost alligator suddenly running into the family room and killing your uncle would have an unsettling effect on everyone there.

[Asharad]

He make me so proud.

[EricStratton]

I'm not arguing against it but what are we trying to learn?

[Shiz]

What color their blood is?

[Asharad]

How many times you can punch them before they pass out.

[Lycos]

Why they are here?

What scares the crap out of them?

How many more are there?

When will the others get back?

Where did they come from originally?

Are there more coming from the other island?

How often do they get reinforcements?

Other than that, their hair color. :lowrazz: :D

[Lycos]

He make me so proud.

You must be tearing up as we speak. :lowlol:

[Lycos]

Once Darganti goes, I'll decide my turn.

[DinbinFanfoom]

Bear with me, really busy today, will get to this tomorrow.

[DinbinFanfoom]

It's currently KT's turn, I believe.

[Lycos]

It's currently KT's turn, I believe.

Shiz didn't take care of that? *gasp*

[DinbinFanfoom]

Dude, KT is at N9 not K9. Also, your grid does not have APs. We all should have 1. We are going to need it.Fixed and I'll fix that.

[Greebo]

Are you using the latest version that I built, or your own?

[DinbinFanfoom]

Are you using the latest version that I built, or your own?
It's yours, but it might not be up to date.

[Greebo]

Well bear in mind, most of the data on that grid is actually player responsibility . I included it as a convenience to the DMs, not the players.

If I were you, I'd have dropped something nasty on Shiz' head for the way he voiced his gripe about APs not being on it. You are far more gracious than I.

[Shiz]

Nasty was not my intention nor do I see it in what I typed. It was just a reminder.

[Greebo]

I didn't say you were nasty. I said I'd drop nasty on you for how you voiced it - as in you didn't ask him politely if he'd consider adding that feature to his chart. Instead, you pointed it out as if it were some kind of glaring omission - at least that's how it read to me.

AP tracking, HP tracking, and the like are player responsibilities. The DMs here track them as a time/effort savor for themselves because if we had to say, "You take 5 dmg" and wait for you to say, "Crap I'm unconscious" these games would take even longer.

IMO you are far too quick to jump in and speak for the DM when it's the DM's role to answer, and even when it's not, it certainly seems that more often than not, the answers you give to rules questions are incorrect, as supported by the number of times I've quoted the rules in response to your errors.

I know you mean well, but dude if you WERE in my game, we'd have had words a long time ago. I don't think you even begin to appreciate the amount of work that goes into running a game like this. Why do you think I keep suggesting you try it?

[DinbinFanfoom]

IMO you are far too quick to jump in and speak for the DM when it's the DM's role to answer, and even when it's not, it certainly seems that more often than not, the answers you give to rules questions are incorrect, as supported by the number of times I've quoted the rules in response to your errors.LOL, I'm guilty of that, too. :D FWIW, I didn't realize AP wasn't on the chart, and likely would have put it there myself, if I'd noticed it beforehand. Wasn't offended.

[Shiz]

I know you mean well, but dude if you WERE in my game, we'd have had words a long time ago. I don't think you even begin to appreciate the amount of work that goes into running a game like this. Why do you think I keep suggesting you try it?

I know damn well how much work probably goes into it. That is why I am resisting despite the great story I have in mind.

Peace! I love all my DMs.

[Asharad]

IMO you are far too quick to jump in and speak for the DM when it's the DM's role to answer,

I'm confused as to where we are in the order, is it your turn Greebo?

[DinbinFanfoom]

I'm confused as to where we are in the order, is it your turn Greebo?
Rofflecopters.

[Asharad]

hehe

Busting of Greebo's balls aside, the tools y'all have developed for playing this online are amazing.

[DinbinFanfoom]

hehe
I can freely laugh because I'm not in any of Greebo's groups. One of your incarnations, on the other hand, might be in trouble. :D

That said, another logical progression (aside from a lot of bug fixes) to the map tool would be to integrate more of that "table stuff" into it so we could keep everything in one place... the table would appear below the map.

[Greebo]

Nah, I'm not vindictive, and I'm not claiming to speak for any DMs but myself. Duma's pending death has NOTHING at all to do with this thread. ;)

[Asharad]

Honestly, Duma is a bit hapless.

[Shiz]

Aren't all divas?

Oh DEVA. sorry.

[EricStratton]

I don't know how big the cloud was but Erik had moved farther away. That's not represented on the map so...fingers crossed.

Not to totally muddy the waters but this is technically round 3. :D

Erik:

Standard: Cast Chaos Bolt on Guardian 2.
Move: Move back to R8 via the path.

Chaos Bolt: 15+4=19 vs WIL
Dmg: 1d10+6 = 4+6 = 10 dmg

[Lycos]

Damelon grins as the prone Guardian 1 and lunges at him, +9 vs AC = 16, but misses. He then shifts into a better position, M7, for next round.

He's prone, don't you get a bonus to hit then?

[Lycos]

Can I move from L6 to K7 without getting caught in the effect of the cloud?

And are those Guardians effected by the cloud as well?

[Shiz]

I included it, but yes, melee vs prone = CA.

[DinbinFanfoom]

The guardians are no longer prone.

[Shiz]

The guardians are no longer prone.

Clever Strike would still have granted CA.

[DinbinFanfoom]

I don't know how big the cloud was but Erik had moved farther away. That's not represented on the map so...fingers crossed.Fixed and damage removed.

[Lycos]

Wait. The path I was taking was M6 - I10 and then I10 to H10, and then H10 to F8. I shouldn't take an OA in that case, right?

[Shiz]

Clubber 3 would OA you in that case. No way to get to the chief without an OA.

Guys, should Damelon help Togar or circle around the huts and go after the boss? I waste a turn if I have to circle. I am thinking of going after the injured Clubber 3.

[Lycos]

Clubber 3 would OA you in that case. No way to get to the chief without an OA.

Ah, I missed clubber 3. Damn.

[Lycos]

Guys, should Damelon help Togar or circle around the huts and go after the boss? I waste a turn if I have to circle. I am thinking of going after the injured Clubber 3.

I would not waste the turn.

[DinbinFanfoom]

Wait. The path I was taking was M6 - I10 and then I10 to H10, and then H10 to F8. I shouldn't take an OA in that case, right?Plus you can't charge in a curve.

[Lycos]

Plus you can't charge in a curve.

Oh ok. :roll:

Not even as a wind up?

[DinbinFanfoom]

Oh ok. :roll:
Not even as a wind up?No, or people would be backing up and then charging for a +1 ATK bonus all the time. :D It'd look like one of those Family Circus comics where it shows the dotted line all over the neighbourhood. I suppose the only exception would be if you were charging something that was around a corner, but in Sigurd's case, there was nothing in between. Had F7 been unnoccupied, you could have charged there as well.

[Shiz]

Charging in a curve is not allowed or disallowed by the official rules. You just have to have at least 2 spaces open between you and the target and proceed to the attacking square between you and the target. Some DMs (on the forums) allow an arcing charge as long as the last 2 squares meet the requirement and some do not. We have played here on these forums that the charge must be straight for its full length.

Since you can move and then charge, it shouldn't be hard to get in position for a straight shot most times anyway.

[DinbinFanfoom]

Charging in a curve is not allowed or disallowed by the official rules. You just have to have at least 2 spaces open between you and the target and proceed to the attacking square between you and the target. Some DMs (on the forums) allow an arcing charge as long as the last 2 squares meet the requirement and some do not. We have played here on these forums that the charge must be straight for its full length.

Since you can move and then charge, it shouldn't be hard to get in position for a straight shot most times anyway.
You must move at least 2 squares from your starting position, and you must move DIRECTLY to the nearest square from which you can attack the enemy.The curved path is not "direct". At least, that's my take on it. Only F7 and F8 qualify as the nearest squares from which you can attack the enemy, and only F8 was unnoccupied. The "direct" path grants an OA to Clubber 4.

[Shiz]

I don't disagree with the way we do it at all, just for the record.

[DinbinFanfoom]

I don't disagree with the way we do it at all, just for the record.
Yeah, it's cool. Seems to be consistent with rules and reality. You'd have the most momentum in a straight-ish line. In a curve, your force would be off-center... tangential.

[EricStratton]

Yeah, it's cool. Seems to be consistent with rules and reality. You'd have the most momentum in a straight-ish line. In a curve, your force would be off-center... tangential.
I have the scars that prove otherwise. :lowlol:

(for the record I don't care how you do it, as long as it's consistent. Which is more than I can say about how I run Group 4)

[Lycos]

(for the record I don't care how you do it, as long as it's consistent. Which is more than I can say about how I run Group 4)

Yeah, don't get me started. :roll:

[DinbinFanfoom]

Move: to G10
Std: Clever Strike vs Clubber 3, +9 vs AC = 16, dmg d8+3+2d6+3 but I think he missed.
What's the second +3 for?

[Lycos]

I knew that this move to attack the Chanter was going to be ugly, but it had to be done.

[Shiz]

I agree.

[Shiz]

I get my STR mod to sneak attack damage as a Brutal Scoundrel.

[Lycos]

Hold it. The Chanter moved out of my area? Didn't I get an OA on him?

[Shiz]

Not if he shifted which he did.

[Lycos]

I hate when they shift. :-/

[Lycos]

As a minor action I'll use Healing Spirit on Sig. He can spend a healing surge.

I will spend that surge for 7 hps. :mrgreen:

[Asharad]

I can't Healing Spirit again this encounter.

However, I can do my healing daily. For it to be the most effective the targets (it can be everybody) need to be bloodied. So it's sort of a "oh heck, we're getting pounded" thing. Its either 2 regeneration per round until you aren't bloodied or, as a minor action, yo cancel it and get 10 hit points.

[Asharad]

Togar being down screws up my whole attack. I'll have to repost.

edit- also I forgot about my 20 that carries over...so hold on.

[DinbinFanfoom]

Yeah, I was gonna forget your current attack and use the 20 anyway.
Togar: lol

[Shiz]

Damelon is in a tight spot....

[DinbinFanfoom]

And Din, don't worry about killing the gator. It is actually very good for us because it only deals 5 dmg to Crashing and he can re-summon it where is wants it vs a much higher potential damage to one of us.Oh. Thanks for reminding me...

Crashing feels sad and notices he has a nosebleed. (Bloodied)

[Asharad]

For the record, Papa Gator is always Papa Gator! He be da same reptile, he dead to start wit, a little whackin on him just make him lose his mojo for a minute.

[Greebo]

Any objection to me bringing that caster a little closer to the melees?

[Shiz]

KT is yours now, Greebs. Do what needs doing. We do not have much AE in the group yet.

[DinbinFanfoom]

Ball is in Sigurd (Lycos) court.

[Lycos]

Sigurd is no longer adjacent to Darter 1.


Edited my move.

http://www.legendsofwestwood.org/forum/showpost.php?p=262298&postcount=99

[Shiz]

Round 2:

move: shift to E9.

If I'm still up, Sigurd will attack the Chanter with a Recuperating Strike.

Recuperating Strike; +6 attack, 1d12+4 damage, on hitting you gain temporary hit points equal to your Constitution modifier (+1). If you are raging, the number of temporary hit points you gain equals 5 + your Constitution modifier (+1).

13 + 6 = 19. Hit?

damage = 6 points of damage.

I gain 6 temp hps.

There it is. Sigurd, you just blocked the chanter from getting pulled and slid by KT. Can you not be at E9?

[Lycos]

There it is. Sigurd, you just blocked the chanter from getting pulled and slid by KT. Can you not be at E9?

Actually, I would except that Sigurd is raging. I'm going to say that Sigurd is not so much into the mindset of worrying about who is pulling whom. He sees blood and he is going after the biggest target and the one denied to him a round ago.

[Shiz]

RP is good!

[Greebo]

There it is. Sigurd, you just blocked the chanter from getting pulled and slid by KT. Can you not be at E9?

I don't know why you think that.

[Shiz]

You cannot pull an enemy through an allies square, can you?

[Quervo]

nothing says you cant... your friends would make way for something they know you are doing

[Greebo]

You cannot pull an enemy through an allies square, can you?

No, you can't.

I don't need to.

He was in D8. Pull E8-F9, shift G9-H9.

[Greebo]

nothing says you cant... your friends would make way for something they know you are doing
Yeah, it does:
✦ Clear Path: Forced movement can?t move a target
into a space it couldn?t enter by walking. The target
can?t be forced into an obstacle or made to squeeze
into a space.

You can't walk into an enemy square.

You can walk into an ally square, however, so there's no problem taking enemy 1 who's allied with enemy 2, and forcing moving E1 through E2's square.

[Greebo]

Actually, I would except that Sigurd is raging. I'm going to say that Sigurd is not so much into the mindset of worrying about who is pulling whom. He sees blood and he is going after the biggest target and the one denied to him a round ago.

Henceforth, if KT has a problem with your move or anyone elses, KT will let you know. ;)

[Asharad]

Well..this can't be good.

The map is showing me as unconscious.

[Greebo]

Damnit, I just woke Togar up!

[DinbinFanfoom]

Damnit, I just woke Togar up!Are you having fun yet? :D Maybe you can get these guys to start doing insight/history/arcana/nature checks more often. :D

[Asharad]

Greebo posts one round of action and we are suddenly ****ed!

Hmmm.

[Greebo]

Greebo posts one round of action and we are suddenly ****ed!

Hmmm.

I am naturally awesome.

[Lycos]

This is not looking good. I don't think I can flee at this point. I might be good for two more rounds.

How's everyone else looking?

My daily is spent. I have one encounter power that will give us added attack bonuses if I can kill someone.

[Greebo]

I can pop a daily that will make one target into a healing pincushion - +4 hps for each hit on that target.

[EricStratton]

Erik still has his daily but it's a single target thing.

If I can connect with a good Chaos Bolt (multiple secondary attacks) I could really **** them up considering how many of them are bloodied. But since I haven't been able to make ONE secondary attack w/ it so far I'm not counting on it.

[Asharad]

I have a big group heal but I'm down.

[Greebo]

I'm gonna unleash my pincushion healing - I'm thinking Clubber 4 because he's undamaged and makes a good candidate for a large number of ppl to hit. Any other thoughts on who should be our hit and heal battery?

[DinbinFanfoom]

I believe Shiz is CAREFULLY considering his move right now. :D

[Shiz]

When I stand I get a free shift right?

[Greebo]

phb, p292

[DinbinFanfoom]

When I stand I get a free shift right?
Yes. If your square is occupied.

[Shiz]

Which it isn't. Ok thanks.

[Asharad]

Shift to K10
Looks like Crashing can't heal anyone else, so..


I can heal everyone else if I am up. My daily is a heal on everyone who is bloodied.

[Quervo]

yeah move that heal to Ash

[Greebo]

In that case, if Din allows, I'll heal Crashing. Sorry ash - i read back and saw you used healing spirit twice...forgot to check your daily.

[Asharad]

S'okay, I've actually never used my daily so it's a bit of a surprise to me as well.

[DinbinFanfoom]

I will stand up and shift to h10, (provokes 2 OA's 1 from each clubber) if i dont get knocked out again, I will Attack the chanter with a reaping strikeStand up is a move and so is the shift (the latter wouldn't provoke OA's) but you can't both stand and shift this turn without an AP (which you don't have).

You could stand (move) and shift (move) as a turn, or you could stand (move) and attack (standard), but not stand (move), shift (move) and attack (standard).

[Greebo]

Stand up is a move and so is the shift (the latter wouldn't provoke OA's) but you can't both stand and shift this turn without an AP (which you don't have).

You could stand (move) and shift (move) as a turn, or you could stand (move) and attack (standard), but not stand (move), shift (move) and attack (standard).

And you can call me ray, and you can call me jay...

[Quervo]

i thought you get a free shift to adj square with a stand from prone??

n/m, miss read that... atk clubber 1

[Shiz]

I thought so too but that is only when someone is standing in your square while you are prone.

[Asharad]

Bursts don't provoke OA's correct?

[DinbinFanfoom]

Bursts don't provoke OA's correct?
Correct.

[Shiz]

Ash, no one has any cover currently.

[Asharad]

Ash, no one has any cover currently.


yeah, I was a little worried about some of them blocking the rest of them but with the burst like that I don't think it matters.

[Greebo]

Actually, Darter 1 has cover from Clubber 2, but thats it.

[Shiz]

Allies only grant cover to Ranged attacks, phb 280. Only objects provide cover to Area and Close attacks relative to the origin square.

[Greebo]

Hey, very good! You're right, no cover. My bad!

[Lycos]

Not that it helps the end result, but I don't think my second wind got calculated into Sigurd's hps.

[Asharad]

Don't forget to take your minor action and get 10 hit points.

[Greebo]

KT is trying to find the last posted map link, stand by

[Greebo]

Also wondering what the current hp stats are, whether regen is kicking in...

[Greebo]

Someone unconscious can't take a minor action, but they should get the regen anyway.

[DinbinFanfoom]

Someone unconscious can't take a minor action, but they should get the regen anyway.Nope. You have to have 1 HP to get regen. (PHB 293)

[Greebo]

Crap, that's two today I've gotten wrong.

Ok - how's this one - Darter 1 was bloodied at 20 hps back on page 2. He now has 41 hps worth of damage. If his bloodied value is 20, he can have no more than 41 hps.

Should Darter 1 be dead, or was bloodied at 20 incorrect?

[DinbinFanfoom]

Ok - how's this one - Darter 1 was bloodied at 20 hps back on page 2. He now has 41 hps worth of damage. If his bloodied value is 20, he can have no more than 41 hps.Lemme check on that one. I know I beefed up the HP on the clubbers and darters in this encounter (previous ones were 40) but I'll see what I wrote. 40 should NOT cut it in this particular fight, but it's possible I have a mix of Darters and Darter 2.0's here...

Edit: Yeah, I see my problem. When I changed my stats on my Clubbers and Darters for this encounter, I upped the HP in my notes but didn't change the "bloodied @ damage" value. They weren't actually as bloodied as early as I said they were, but not by much.

[Lycos]

KT starts to sing an insulting limerick to Darter 1, but totally messes up the last line, rendering it unfunny and not even that insulting. (ATK 11 vs WIL: miss)


It's interesting how RPG reflects the person behind the character. ;)

[DinbinFanfoom]

Woops, that Damelon save is for next round.

[EricStratton]

I'm all fired up that Chaos Bolt is finally doing something. :D

[Asharad]

Crashing looks appreciatively at Erik.

[Greebo]

Has togar used 2nd wind already?

[EricStratton]

Crashing looks appreciatively at Erik.
Erik beams from the approval. :mrgreen:

[Asharad]

KT, use a minor to dispel my heal and get 10 hitpoints.

[Greebo]

KT, use a minor to dispel my heal and get 10 hitpoints.

Not till I get closer to unbloodied, thanks.

[Shiz]

+2 vs all damage? Do you mean damage resistance?

[Asharad]

Yeah, +2 resistance to all damage.

+2 to damage would make it a pretty ****ty spell.

[Asharad]

Yes, you did, and then C4 critted you afterwards for 12 (see above), knocking you back down to 1.


Aw ****, yeah I totally missed that. I would have second winded instead of attacking. Oh well.

[Greebo]

I hate to say this, but waking up does not reset the save count. One must rest.

[Greebo]

Where was Clubber 2 when it attacked Togar for the last time?

[DinbinFanfoom]

Where was Clubber 2 when it attacked Togar for the last time?
W of him. He skirted the OA, if you're wondering. (Move 6)

C4 and C5 only shifted.

[DinbinFanfoom]

I hate to say this, but waking up does not reset the save count. One must rest.Oh. Evil. I did not know that.

[Greebo]

Crap. I totally should have slid Damelon when the clubber missed him (#5, end of 7). Too late now.

We are soooo screwed...

[Lycos]

Ya totally screwed us you noob! :p

[Greebo]

Din was holding his natural 20's till I joined just to kill me!!!

[DinbinFanfoom]

Din was holding his natural 20's till I joined just to kill me!!!
You've got two whole hit points left. Thats TONS! :D

[Greebo]

You've got two whole hit points left. Thats TONS! :D


Not for long

[Quervo]

he saved that 20 for togar.... man is Din tough

[EricStratton]

Oh. Evil. I did not know that.
Me neither. That's vicious.

[Greebo]

Din: Re Crashing's hps - looks like he never got his 4 thp from my heal of him:

Post 118 - Crashing posted at 0 hps.
#121 - I healed crashing +10 hps +4thp
124 - 7 dmg? shouldn't that have been 3? (7 - 4 temp hps) - so he should have had 7.

UNLESS you actually hit him for 11...in which case the rest doesn't matter

127 - takes 10 : 17 hps - you still had him at 3
129 doesn't show him gaining the 10 hps - should be 17, still shows 3 - but...
132 looks like you have him at 13, cause he lost 12 - 5 left
post 140 - lose 8. -3 total

So still unconscious, but not AS bad...guess it doesn't matter much though. Darn.

[DinbinFanfoom]

Since you stand about a 80% chance of actually being right, and I'm too lazy to go back and run an audit, I'll go ahead and put Crashing at -3. :D

This DMing is really quite challenging. My main fear isn't making mistakes, but making mistakes that are only picked up well after the fact, which is a whole lot more complicated. :D

[Greebo]

Yes I'd like very much to count that, please.

[DinbinFanfoom]

Yes I'd like very much to count that, please.
See, I'm not TOTALLY evil. :D I realized you'd missed it (and so had I) but thankfully KT is the only one it actually affects, so, there ya go.

[DinbinFanfoom]

I find myself thinking "WOW THIS FIGHT IS LONG" and then I go and look at "Round 29..." in Sagar's game and think "Nevermind...". :D

[Lycos]

I find myself thinking "WOW THIS FIGHT IS LONG" and then I go and look at "Round 29..." in Sagar's game and think "Nevermind...". :D

That is the...

Longest.fight.ever


Heck, we started it in August.

[DinbinFanfoom]

Combat goes so much faster now that 6/8 of you are out of play. :P

[Lycos]

Combat goes so much faster now that 6/8 of you are out of play. :P

:slaproom:

[Greebo]

Combat goes so much faster now that 6/8 of you are out of play. :P

Imagine how much faster it would go if the DM focused on posting moves and not snark. ;)

[DinbinFanfoom]

Imagine how much faster it would go if the DM focused on posting moves and not snark. ;)Hey, we're waiting on ES. :D

[Asharad]

Is this the first actual death in any of the games?

[Greebo]

Is this the first actual death in any of the games?

Online? Yeah, I think it is.

In real life, I killed Lycos' gnome with the Kruthik Hatchlings Duma is facing now.

[Asharad]

well, that was really fun right up until we all got killed!

Look for the shaman Crashing's twin brother, also named Crashing, coming soon to an adventure near you! :)

[Shiz]

hehe. Maybe if Lamsi and Darganti had stayed we could have finished them off and then run. Who knows where they went.

[Greebo]

I spent minutes --- MINUTES I tell you --- invested in reading the backstory and getting into character for KT.

I feel so cheated!

[Lycos]

I spent minutes --- MINUTES I tell you --- invested in reading the backstory and getting into character for KT.

I feel so cheated!

How can we ever repay you? :lowrazz: Be glad you're not tonight's dinner like Togar. :D

[Greebo]

Dark meat for me please.

[DinbinFanfoom]

Hey, if Erik would post, we could get this show on the road. I hate meetings.

[Greebo]

Erik sent me a PM for his turn. It says, "Mffmfm mmmm ffmfmmfmmm mmmfmffmf!"

That help? ;)

[Lycos]

Erik sent me a PM for his turn. It says, "Mffmfm mmmm ffmfmmfmmm mmmfmffmf!"

So, Erik is giving oral to a cannibal, what are the rest of us doing??? ;)

[Greebo]

So, Erik is giving oral to a cannibal, what are the rest of us doing??? ;)

Erik - HE said it, not me!

[DinbinFanfoom]

Interestingly, the only roll I seriously had to tweak was one of the last ones... A miss vs KT or Erik might have made combat drag on another round giving Sigurd a 3rd death save failure. "WHY. WON'T. THEY. JUST. RUN. AWAY?!?!?" my mind screamed. :D

[Greebo]

Interestingly, the only roll I seriously had to tweak was one of the last ones... A miss vs KT or Erik might have made combat drag on another round giving Sigurd a 3rd death save failure. "WHY. WON'T. THEY. JUST. RUN. AWAY?!?!?" my mind screamed. :D

You mean we weren't supposed to win?????

[DinbinFanfoom]

You mean we weren't supposed to win?????
You were, right up until I received word of Togar's death-wish. :D Actually, even then you were supposed to, but you wouldn't leave your comrade behind/down. Pretty tight bunch for a ragtag crew of shipwreck losers. :D

[Quervo]

Din... something you need to know... players are stupid as a whole... we can not believe that the DM would ever expect us to run away from something, as such the DM wouldnt put us against anything we cant beat.

[DinbinFanfoom]

Din... something you need to know... players are stupid as a whole... we can not believe that the DM would ever expect us to run away from something, as such the DM wouldnt put us against anything we cant beat.No no no, don't get me wrong, you guys didn't do anything "wrong" at all. I just had to add a few more mobs until I could get Togar down. And down again. And again. AND FINALLY DOWN. :D It's all good. We just take the story down an alternate path... every encounter has multiple outcomes, all of which are planned for. :D

[Greebo]

And if the DM WOULD put us against something we can't beat, well then we'd hope the DM would give us major clues.

A slightly off balance fight isn't much of a clue...

A HORDE of enemies arriving from the fringes would have been something, however...

[Greebo]

all of which are planned for. :D

Oh..

Oh you poor n00b.

[DinbinFanfoom]

And if the DM WOULD put us against something we can't beat, well then we'd hope the DM would give us major clues.
A slightly off balance fight isn't much of a clue...
A HORDE of enemies arriving from the fringes would have been something, however...
Yeah, I would never do that to you. To reward a player with permadeath for anything short of the most obviously bone-headed of maneuvers would be poor DM form, IMHO. This encounter was meant to be three waves:

1) Clubbers/Darters/Minions (you mowed these pretty good)
2) A pair of heavier warriors (you mowed these even better)
3) A "boss" shaman with a few more Clubbers/Darters (he started to mess you up)

You did great with 1 and 2 even dispite the mobs having better stats than the ones you encountered before. All of the cannibal mobs have SOMEWHAT similar stats: mediocre defenses, but lots of HP and melee firepower. Easy to hit, but they hit a lot. A bit too much for my comfort, actually, as the fight played out. Their rolls were quite good on top of that (their damage rolls always seemed to get the lower ones, their ATK's were frankly averaging something like 15-19, which given the volume was hard for you to deal with).

[Lycos]

In my experience, running away means leaving people behind with no real resources to get them back even for a rez if you can get that.

For instance in this scenario, Lamsi and Darganti are the only fighters in town. Security is increased at the village here because of the previous attack when you return. It's a harder fight than when we hit them with surprise. That means your situation is worse than when you started. IMO it's better to press on. Plus, what hero, runs away when the fight gets tough? Glory is made when the fight gets tough, and you succeed. :mrgreen:

[DinbinFanfoom]

Plus, what hero, runs away when the fight gets tough?Psst... Baladir the Paladin is in the OTHER game. :D JK.

[Lycos]

Yup. It just so happened that you guys pulled him into an almost perfect place to use his burst daily too. He never did get to recharge his other "bog" AE (the poison+daze) in all the tries since he appeared.

The shaman was a mix between a few monster manual mobs that seemed to make sense, with damage scaled down.

Dinbin says: My bad. I edited your post instead of replying too it. I said the above, not you.

[Asharad]

Wait a minute...Togor was trying to die?

Well ****.

That kinda sucks, in all honesty. I spent time and effort trying to save and help him, time that had I known he was going to do everything possible to die I would have spent somewhere else and which might have altered the course of the fight.

[Shiz]

Yeah, I didn't realize Q hated his character so much. I knew he wasn't excited, but...still, it was still fun to be beaten.

[DinbinFanfoom]

Wait a minute...Togor was trying to die?Not ENTIRELY true... he wasn't TRYING to die, but he wasn't trying hard to live. :D (Quervo has RL time constraints that require writing him out for now).
That kinda sucks, in all honesty. I spent time and effort trying to save and help him, time that had I known he was going to do everything possible to die I would have spent somewhere else and which might have altered the course of the fight....and thus it would have been wrong for he or I to tell you that. :D

[Greebo]

Not ENTIRELY true... he wasn't TRYING to die, but he wasn't trying hard to live. :D (Quervo has RL time constraints that require writing him out for now).
...and thus it would have been wrong for he or I to tell you that. :D

Respectfully disagree. You HAVE told us, tainting the enjoyment of our honest effort to win. Had we known Togar didn't care if he lived or died, we would have done different things, and we may have won out, which would have been more enjoyable in the long run than "We busted ass trying to save everyone only to find out one person didn't really care".

I wouldn't have done the last heal action, for example. I COULD have gone aggressive on that.

[DinbinFanfoom]

Oh by the way, I think this:

Crashing: "Perception. Am I being cooked?"

...is pretty much golden.

[DinbinFanfoom]

Respectfully disagree. You HAVE told us, tainting the enjoyment of our honest effort to win. Had we known Togar didn't care if he lived or died, we would have done different things, and we may have won out, which would have been more enjoyable in the long run than "We busted ass trying to save everyone only to find out one person didn't really care".It'll all come together when you get back to the islander village to find the "goodbye cruel world!" note he left on your pillow, KT. The battlefield is no place for rueful tell-alls on "why I'm dissatisfied with life" and "I wanted to be a dancer! Not a fighter! Damn you dad!".

PS: KNOWING that we were writing Solak out in Game 3 had us almost considering using him as cannon-fodder. I contemplated tipping my hand earlier, but figured this made the most RP sense. I'd argue that the outcome was more "realistic" than if I'd told you.

[Greebo]

It'll all come together when you get back to the islander village to find the "goodbye cruel world!" note he left on your pillow, KT. The battlefield is no place for rueful tell-alls on "why I'm dissatisfied with life" and "I wanted to be a dancer! Not a fighter! Damn you dad!".

Din - this is an OOC discussion, not an IC one. If Quervo wanted out of the group, IMO the group deserves to know. The players deserve the opportunity to choose whether the knowledge will affect their IC actions or not.

[DinbinFanfoom]

Din - this is an OOC discussion, not an IC one. If Quervo wanted out of the group, IMO the group deserves to know. The players deserve the opportunity to choose whether the knowledge will affect their IC actions or not.While I agree in principle, my point was that mid-encounter was likely not the place for that. I only got the request after the fight had started.

[Asharad]

If Q doesn't want to play, I have no problem with that.

However, he was doing things to get himself killed in that fight, stuff that the rest of us responded to in good faith (not knowing the "plan") and stuff that, as a result, kinda hurt the party. He didn't just get himself killed, he contributed to the death of the rest of us (not, long term, that it mattered, but still...)

Like Greebo said, I was feeling bad for Q that Togar got killed but okay with the outcome of the fight. We all tried (I thought) and just lost. it was fun and that happens.

Now that is soured because one of us wasn't trying and the rest of us didn't know it.

If a player doesn't want to play anymore, they can always expire from their wounds later. Kamakazing in the middle of a big fight only ****s everyone else.

[DinbinFanfoom]

Now that is soured because one of us wasn't trying and the rest of us didn't know it.

If a player doesn't want to play anymore, they can always expire from their wounds later. Kamakazing in the middle of a big fight only ****s everyone else.To be fair, nothing I saw in his actions indicated a "kamakaze" attack. He wasn't the only party-member to rush in, and the only thing that I saw him actually DO that indicated he wasn't whole-hearted was 1) not try to flee when he got whacked around, something that the rest of you were doing anyway and 2) not take his SW when he could have (he ended up taking it anyway, as a result of a heal).

I can undertstand your frustration. However since I think that it would only be fair for it to come out eventually, it should at least come out at the end of the immediate encounter, not before. An alternate way for me to handle it could have been for one of the mobs to simply Coup-de-Grace Togar in the middle of the battle, but that as a choice I didn't take. It didn't "feel" right.

I'm sorry if my decision has caused you dissatisfaction, but I have to say that if I had it to do over again, I probably wouldn't have changed anything, given the info I had at the time.

[Asharad]

I want my money back!

[Quervo]

Guys dont bash Din... The original intention was togar go down and "new character #45467" to show up just in time to completely save the encounter...

But real life has just crashed down on my head...

I have been on Short Term Disability since last year, that time is running out quickly, the plan was for long term to kick in till work could place me in a job that could meet my job restrictions... well it looks like LTD will not be approved and I will be forced back to my old position, even though i am not better, to keep my job including medical beni's so i can try and get better.

I just found this out last night, so I told Din this morning that I think it is better that we NOT write me into a new toon only to have abandon him in 10 days. Now there is a chance that before the 13th i could be offered an inside job, but if that doesnt happen I am going back to a crew that is working 10+hrs/day 7day/week.

I have already told Greebo that I plan on Jacoby retiring in his game once we hit town... so he could be replaced.

[Lycos]

I'm cool with it guys.

And as far as charging in. Yeah, a barbarian tends to do that since he doesn't have nice distance attacks. So, it will happen. And I couldn't wait for the shaman to pick us off with his spells. He was bad news. We had to go after him.

[Asharad]

I like bashing Din, though!

[Shiz]

I don't hold any regrets about what happened. It is all fun. I certainly don't think any of us are upset with Quervo given what is going on with him.

That said, no defender kind of leaves us in a pinch tactically. I will roll with it, though. The story is good.

[Shiz]

Just so we are all on the same page. This is an escape mission. We get untied and we run like children to an ice cream truck.

[Greebo]

I am absolutely unstealthy, but don't want to leave anyone behind. What's Dam's stealth?

[Shiz]

Dam is +5 Stealth. That makes me the best candidate to visit the huts and free people.

[Greebo]

Dam is +5 Stealth. That makes me the best candidate to visit the huts and free people.

Heh, I just checked - you're +8. :P

[Lycos]

We need our items though. I am going to be useless without a weapon.

[Lycos]

Heh, I just checked - you're +8. :P

You forgot the Barney Fife effect -3. ;)

[Greebo]

Can you explain the map usage? What are the stones around the camp?

[Shiz]

A wall.

[Lycos]

Din, I know you've been posting today, so I'm assuming you've had time to work on this? Are you waiting on us?

[Greebo]

Could you post map links more often?

[Greebo]

Hold on processing shiz for a minute please.

[Greebo]

Never mind - was consdiering shifting clubber 5, but I like him right where he is.

Edit: strike that, forgot spirits can't flank. Still considering.

[Greebo]

shiz - thinking of sliding clubber to F7 on his miss (before your turn).

If I then slide you into G7, I can maneuver around him to E8 assuming you killed the underling. Good for you?

[Shiz]

I thought you can only slide me and there is nowhere to slide me.

Virtue of Cunning - When an enemy misses an ally
within 5 + Int mod squares, slide that ally 1 square as a free
action (1/rd).

[Greebo]

Hmm. I misread that. Damn. And I screwed up Din as a result. Oh well thats a bonus.

i can slide you and it north, you can hit it, and I can step in behind him.

[Shiz]

So am I attacking Clubber 5 or Underling? I will have to roll damage if the former.

[Greebo]

I'd be moving you before your attack, so clubber 5, but I wont' do it w/o your ok.

[Lycos]

Yeesh, slavedriver. :D

No back talk! *cracks the whip* :mrgreen:


Sigurd wriggles some more, but to no avail, though he thought he had it there for a second... Nope.


Ok, this tells me, I'm done. (That was a 20, I can't do better than that.) Just let me know when I get free or dead.

[Shiz]

Slide me then.

[Shiz]

Amended my attack to be against Clubber 5, 18 vs AC, 19dmg.

[Greebo]

Damelon goes for Clubber 5 with a Clever Strike, +10 vs AC = 18, 19dmg.

I think they are minions but if not I can roll dmg (d4+2d6+6). Clever Strike means I get CA if an ally that can attack is adjacent to my target.

edit: Greebo seems to want me to change my target to Clubber 5 so I did. Whatever KT wants Dam to do, he will do, although I think 19dmg kills Clubber 5,

Reason I offered was I don't expect 19 damage to kill him necessarily, and I'm setting up a flank. And we didn't know it was 19 at the time of discussion. I offered to move him if you agreed, i'm not trying to push it on you, just throwing it out there.

[Shiz]

Happy to kill him. Let's do the slide game. To be fair, now that I rolled damage and made it clear I am attacking him, I don't want to change back. 19dmg might not finish him, but we can live with that.

[EricStratton]

Clever Strike:

Requirement: You must be wielding a light blade.
Attack: Dexterity vs. AC
Hit: 1[W] + Dexterity modifier (+3) damage. Level 21: 2[W] + Dexterity modifier (+3) damage.
Special: If an ally is adjacent to the target and is able to attack it, you have combat advantage against the target for this attack.
Double sword: +7 attack, 1d8+3 damage

[EricStratton]

Erik bides his time, watching the battle with rapt attention. Damelon thinks he hears a muffled "GO TEAM GO!". (The PHB states that you really can only try once, and I've given y'all a good 3 or 4 attempts, so let's speed this along, shall we?)
Hehe, that's fine.

And where does the PHB say that? Not that I doubt you I just didn't know they put rules in there for this situation.

[DinbinFanfoom]

And where does the PHB say that? Not that I doubt you I just didn't know they put rules in there for this situation.PHB 181:

Escape from Restraints
Make an Acrobatics check to slip free of restraints.
Escape from Restraints: 5 minutes.
✦ DC: Base DC 20. The DC is determined by the type
of restraint and its quality, as set by the DM.
✦ Fast Escape: You can make an escape attempt as a
standard action, but the DC increases by 10.
✦ Success: You slip free of a physical restraint.
✦ Failure: You can try again only if someone else
aids you.

[EricStratton]

Huh. I had no idea.

[Shiz]

Did that DC get adjusted under the new DC rules like everything else? I think DC20 is fair, actually, but I am just asking. DC15 is way to easy to escape.

[EricStratton]

I don't see it in the errata.

[DinbinFanfoom]

That is the BASE DC. Elsewhere you'll find additional DC mods for different kinds of bonds and different kinds of attempts (str vs acro, for example). So far only KT/Damelon have escaped in the standard acro way, albeit via an assist (which worked well). Crashing is free via a sharp implement.

[Shiz]

Just to reiterate, I am not complaining. Bonds should be difficult.

BTW, is cutting bonds a minor? If I can get to Erik in a move action, can I free him with my dagger and still get a move/std action?

[DinbinFanfoom]

Just to reiterate, I am not complaining. Bonds should be difficult. Didn't see it as one, no problem.
BTW, is cutting bonds a minor? If I can get to Erik in a move action, can I free him with my dagger and still get a move/std action?Probably more of a standard action... you'd have to saw on them a bit, even with a dagger.

[Lycos]

I think DC20 is fair

Unless your Acro is -1. :evileye:

[DinbinFanfoom]

Unless your Acro is -1. :evileye:Heheh, yup. :D

[Greebo]

I still pull him 2 squares! His canoe should have momentum towards us! ;)

[Lycos]

"You guys hear something?"

:evileye:

*more muffled yelling*

[Lycos]

I'm thinking we should burn this place, and destroy the canoes. Or we take the canoes back to Lamsi's people.

[Lycos]

Did they eat Togar, or did they just hack him up into smaller pieces?

[DinbinFanfoom]

Did they eat Togar, or did they just hack him up into smaller pieces?
Are you asking Lamsi? Or are you examining the pieces?

[EricStratton]

Lamsi can tell us if they'd want anything from the camp.

I don't know if we want to burn it. Seems like it'd just attract attention. Unless that's your plan.

We should bury what's left of Togar, tho.

[Lycos]

True, the burning would get some attention. But if we don't take the canoes, we should destroy them. Just in case they use them for trying to catch us again.

[Greebo]

After a thorough search, I agree with Lycos.

As for Togar - in game we do not know Togar wants to stay dead. Should we play out an attempt to raise him and disappointment as the failure? Or take it as given, bury him, and move on? Either way, get the gear. :)

[Greebo]

They killed Togar - raise him or not, we need to send a message - burn it.

[Lycos]

I'm ok with burning. But it has to be a quick, torch the huts and walls if we can. And we get the hell out of there. No waiting around for it to catch real good. We get things started and boogie.

[EricStratton]

I fear that burning the town will cause the cannibals to go after the villagers in retaliation.

Since Togar is cut up into pieces and partially eaten I'm guessing there's little that magic could do to bring him back to life. But I could be wrong. :lowlol:

[DinbinFanfoom]

Quervo didn't bond well with Togar. If he returns, it won't be as Togar. Say your goodbyes. Check Togar's inventory thread and divvy what you need to.

[Lycos]

Well, we killed their shaman and a bunch of their friends. I think they're pissed as it is. I'm thinking that burning the village will at least send a message.

[DinbinFanfoom]

Is there anyway, we can figure out where he was taken?
OK...

Nope. You don't win the game.

[Lycos]

Ok...

*shuffles off to go home now* :(

[DinbinFanfoom]

I just meant that your request was rather... unspecific. Like: "Is there some way we can defeat Big Thunder Man?" :D

[Lycos]

Well, now what? We try to go after Draganti, or do you think he was the Happy Meal To Go? Or do we burn this place to the ground and get out of dodge?

[DinbinFanfoom]

OOC: Look to be honest, Sigurd is not going to be rolling skill rolls to carry the story line so, I'm trying to get others who do have the skillz, to work on it. I'm just trying to keep things going.Ah, sorry. Thought the original question was OOC to the DM.

[Lycos]

Well, on the bright side. KT now can have his way with Lamsi without Darganti hanging around.

[Shiz]

We have no one who can Raise Dead as we know. Damelon considers Togar unsalvageable at this point but won't speak it.

I say we go back to the non-eater village and report what happened. Someone there might have a better idea of where Darganti was taken. They also deserve to know.

[Asharad]

nm, wrong thread

[Lycos]

We have no one who can Raise Dead as we know. Damelon considers Togar unsalvageable at this point but won't speak it.

I say we go back to the non-eater village and report what happened. Someone there might have a better idea of where Darganti was taken. They also deserve to know.

Agreed. But we burn this place to the ground. I think the others are gone.

Oh, what to do with the old guy? Can we use this as a symbol for them to not return again? We hide the body? And we can use his items or clothes later to scare off other eatters?

That should keep them away for years. If we can use Lamsi to engrave something to leave here. Something like, you left me here! I will haunt you forever because of your betrayl in their language.

[Shiz]

Everyone but Ash roll a d100 for the necklace. Highest roll wins it.

[Greebo]

Loot off!

Meh, I didn't want the stinking thing anyway...

[Lycos]

LOOT!

[Lycos]

ROFL

[Lycos]

Agreed. But we burn this place to the ground. I think the others are gone.

Oh, what to do with the old guy? Can we use this as a symbol for them to not return again? We hide the body? And we can use his items or clothes later to scare off other eatters?

That should keep them away for years. If we can use Lamsi to engrave something to leave here. Something like, you left me here! I will haunt you forever because of your betrayl in their language.

What do you guys think of the haunting plan???

[Greebo]

I like it. These ****ers need to suffer.