Part 12 - Down the Down Stairs Discussion

[Shiz]

Cilene's attack is above: Hypnotic Pattern.

[EricStratton]

Cilene's attack is above: Hypnotic Pattern.
Thank you, I'd forgotten that.

[EricStratton]

Maz will move to G11 and will use luring strike on HGS2
While i have you here, quick roll PERC.

[Shiz]

Rend is waiting to see what happens with shorter hobs before I post.

[Quervo]

While i have you here, quick roll PERC.


18 (16+2) roll on first post

[Shiz]

Am I reading the Hypnotic attack properly in that it gets to attack on its own, in addition to Cilene? The attack is an at-will with a trigger and labelled Opportunity. So it is a free attack against any mob within 3. Nice.

[Greebo]

Reads like that to me - standard to start the pattern, then on the enemy turn the pattern attacks them. No dmg, but control of the field. Very nice indeed!

[Shiz]

Really nice. And an encounter power no less. Great way to pin down a tough melee mob.

[EricStratton]

You forgot to apply Quarry damage of 2 to HS1.
You mean *you* forgot to apply it.

Status table updated.

[Shiz]

HG1: 18+7 vs REF, 11dmg, dazed
HG3: 8+9=17 vs REF, 11dmg, dazed

Maybe I edited it in after you pulled it.

[Greebo]

You mean *you* forgot to apply it.

FINISH HIM!

[Shiz]

Doesn't the Hypnotis pattern get an attack now?

[Greebo]

Where did the greater hobgoblin start its turn?

[Moonshadow]

Yeah and Greebo called it my pretty lights. :D

[Shiz]

I love the pretty lights! And it is next to the well!

[Moonshadow]

Where did the greater hobgoblin start its turn?

Oh good point - probably won't hit him, but the others do apply.

[EricStratton]

Oh good point - probably won't hit him, but the others do apply.
It'll only affect HS1 and 3. The shorter and biggers one already started their turns.

[noptov52]

What is the effect of slowed - how many spaces can Jagged move?

[Shiz]

only 2.

[Sagar]

Note: The healing strike bonus given to Jagged is a surge +3 hp, not 3 temp hp.

Jagged was healed 13.

[EricStratton]

Note: The healing strike bonus given to Jagged is a surge +3 hp, not 3 temp hp.

Jagged was healed 13.
Ahhh, oops. I think I sped read your post and blended "+3" w/ "TBD" and it became "+3 THP". Fixing.

[EricStratton]

When the hobgoblin subcommander hits someone w/ a melee attack his allies get +2 to attack and dmg rolls until the end of his next turn. He hit Jagged and then Jagged killed him. I debated whether or not to keep the bonus against Jagged now that the HSC is dead. Keeping in mind that moves in a round are technically simultaneous (even tho I don't write them that way) I've been convinced that the bonus against Jagged stays until [-]after[/-] the start of Jagged's next turn.

Just an FYI.

[Greebo]

You bastard!!!

[EricStratton]

I know. How about this? It lasts until the *start* of Jagged's next turn, not after it.

(see what I did there? I made a typo in my first post and then, by correcting it here, made it look like I'm giving you something. I'm so nice!)

[Greebo]

You're the most awesomest DM ever in the last 5 minutes!

[Quervo]

Rend I left an opening for you to get CA on HGS4

[EricStratton]

Jagged's down and Rend is headed that way as well. Sagar's out of heals. I really didn't this one would be that hard. W/ the addition of the subcommander to account for Greebo's 6 man, this should be a standard level 3 fight. I have gotten some good rolls, though.

[Shiz]

Why is the spider back in the far room?

[EricStratton]

Why is the spider back in the far room?
There's a pretty obvious explanation for that. But I'm going to go with "You must not have reloaded the map enough times."

[Sagar]

Does the grunt get the subcommander damage bonus if the sub is dead when the blow landed?

[EricStratton]

Does the grunt get the subcommander damage bonus if the sub is dead when the blow landed?
I ruled yes (http://www.legendsofwestwood.org/forum/showpost.php?p=263765&postcount=22).

[Greebo]

I have ruled similarly in similar circumstances (not on this forum). When an effect has a set duration of EONT, since the turns in a round are technically simultaneous, I leave the effect in force even if the creature who caused it is dead.

[Greebo]

Strictly speaking, Sagar, your heal gives Rend a new saving throw that he can take immediately, and that new throw is at +2, which is even better than just aiding him retroactively.

[Sagar]

Strictly speaking, Sagar, your heal gives Rend a new saving throw that he can take immediately, and that new throw is at +2, which is even better than just aiding him retroactively.

I thought it was new ST OR +2 to existing.

[EricStratton]

I thought it was new ST OR +2 to existing.
Looks like Sagar wins.

PHB pg185:

Grant a Saving Throw: Make a DC 15 Heal check. If you succeed, an adjacent ally can immediately make a saving throw, or the ally gets a +2 bonus to a saving throw at the end of his or her next turn.

[Shiz]

I will stick with 8+2 since I know that saves.

[EricStratton]

Actually, here's the problem. It's a standard action for Sagar to do. Which means Sagar would have to go first to get you the +2.

Are you two willing to swap places in the INIT order? If not, you'll just have to roll a new ST.

[Greebo]

Yeah we're (Sagar and I) both wrong. It's either IMMEDIATE save, or +2 to the next.

I'd suggest Rend take the free throw.

[Quervo]

if you take no damage from an attack, should you still suffer from the special effects... ie poisoning??

[EricStratton]

if you take no damage from an attack, should you still suffer from the special effects... ie poisoning??
I thought about that as I wrote the post. Aegis of Shielding doesn't say that it stops the attack, it just lessens the damage. So by the rules that I can find the attack still hit, just for 0 damage. I couldn't find anything in my brief searches that said anything about reducing an attack's damage to 0 equaling the attack not hitting.

RP-wise, /shrug. The poison dripped through the shield and into Rend's mouth. :roll:

[Shiz]

I think we need to be a little more careful going forward, guys. We droppedsome of our good stuff early when it could have helped. I am as guilty as anyone.

Oh and Jagged, if you are bored when dying, don't die! :lowsmile: Rend and Jagged need to be a bit more cautious and/or tactical. Rend could have easily run down that grunt who freed the spider.

[Shiz]

Who wants the cloak of Distroton? Who asked for it? Seems to fit Cilene or Greebo, people who are targets of ranged attacks more than melee.

[Greebo]

Meh - I'm all about offense.

[Greebo]

Apparently I put this cloak on my wishlist and forgot.

So ... sure i'll take it.

[Greebo]

I don't understand the cloak - is the item bonus to all defenses for ranged attacks from > 5 squares away in ADDITION to the existing +1 to all but AC?

So if its a ranged attack from >5, does that mean +1 to ac and +2 to all else?

[EricStratton]

I don't understand the cloak - is the item bonus to all defenses for ranged attacks from > 5 squares away in ADDITION to the existing +1 to all but AC?

So if its a ranged attack from >5, does that mean +1 to ac and +2 to all else?
That's how I read it.

Please note: WotC hasn't updated the cloak's description w/ it's errata (from 10/31/09) in the character builder yet. So Greebo's PDF has the old description which was -5 to attack rolls when > 5 squares away.

If you have a DnD Insider account, you can view the cloak's updated text here:

http://www.wizards.com/dndinsider/compendium/item.aspx?id=2975

[Shiz]

Property: A ranged attack against you from more than 5 squares away takes a –5 penalty to the attack roll.Property: You gain an item bonus to all defenses against ranged attacks from more than 5 squares away equal to this item’s enhancement bonus. That's a nerf worthy of an MMO.