Adventure 02-00 (OOC & Discussion)

[attriel]

OK, so we've generally discussed marching and watch order.

But the ohter major consideration was which path you wish to take to reach your destination.

[DirkDarkBlade]

OK. If I move (slide) one space to D5 can I attack the mob attached to Belvar? I'm attempting to kill the critter so it will let go of Belvar (or at least stop poisoning him). I wasn' sure if that is a valid attack. I'm looking at my new attacks to see what would be the best attack.

Or would attacking the attached critter injure Belvar as well as the mob?

[attriel]

Or would attacking the attached critter injure Belvar as well as the mob?

No, you can attack the creature and not hurt Belvar. It has a higher AC that way, though

[DirkDarkBlade]

I thought it might be good to try and get it off of him though.

[attriel]

I thought it might be good to try and get it off of him though.

From the compendium on grab:
Effects that End a Grab: If you are affected by a condition that prevents you from taking opportunity actions (such as dazed, stunned, surprised, or unconscious), you immediately let go of a grabbed enemy. If you move away from the creature you?re grabbing, you let go and the grab ends. If a pull, a push, or a slide moves you or the creature you?re grabbing out of your reach, the grab ends.


So he can escape, it can be stunned, or one of them can be moved. Attacking just helps kill it, which will release since it's dead :o

[drathos]

Would my Sweeping Blow hit the stirge that's grabbing me? It's a Close Burst 1, so it can be used to hit everything around me, but I'm curious if the fact that it's in my square would prevent me from swinging at the stirge.

Also, is the aura just from the swarms?

[attriel]

Would my Sweeping Blow hit the stirge that's grabbing me? It's a Close Burst 1, so it can be used to hit everything around me, but I'm curious if the fact that it's in my square would prevent me from swinging at the stirge.

Also, is the aura just from the swarms?

Swarms have the aura's, yes

And the stirge is small,so I don't think it can technically occupy the same square as you (medium); I think two smalls, or tiny/medium ...

Let's say you can hit it. In fact, let's just say it's in the square the picture shows it in, and pretend that that makes sense somehow! :o

[drathos]

One thing I noticed was that my encounter power earlier in the fight (Sweeping Blow, close burst 1) did extra damage to the swarms, so if anyone has any similar abilities available (not sure which part they were vulnerable to) we may be able to finish off the swarm faster than the half damage we've been doing with the single target attacks.

[attriel]

One thing I noticed was that my encounter power earlier in the fight (Sweeping Blow, close burst 1) did extra damage to the swarms, so if anyone has any similar abilities available (not sure which part they were vulnerable to) we may be able to finish off the swarm faster than the half damage we've been doing with the single target attacks.

Well, after Kiir mentioned something, I went and looked, and apparently you have the encountr, Althaea has CB healing, dirk & watcher have nothing, and fia has one, but she's out of range to use it i think.

Which means I may have to rethink the swarm-heavy adventure :o

edit: Oh, and you're right. Swarms take extra from area/close attacks, because "it hits the whole swarm at once"

[DinbinFanfoom]

I would be using my AE's but too many friendlies would get hit.

[attriel]

I would be using my AE's but too many friendlies would get hit.

Ah. I didn't check the details, just looked for burst/blast powers. ?yeah, I suppose killing your own party might be a negative :o

[DirkDarkBlade]

Question on Surges: I don't have my books with me at work and surges are completely different from how healing worked in the old version of DnD I played. So I want to know if I am understanding how they work correctly.

I get 7 surges per day allowance. I can only use surges outside of combat (or can I use one in combat but not attack that round or somesuch?)
My sheet says 13 surge value so I get 13 points healed when I spend a surge? Can I spend 2 surges at once to get 26 points (up to the limit of my max HPs)?
When we rest for the night the number of available surges resets?

So in my current bloodied state I'd plan to spend two surge points to heal up and have 5 left for the day if I understand correctly.

Just wanted to make sure I am right.

[EricStratton]

Yeah, you've pretty much nailed it. You can spend 2 surges to get up to 26 HP back. Surges reset when we take an extended rest.

You can use a surge in battle when you use your Second Wind power. And our healer probably has powers that allow you to spend a surge to heal as well.

[attriel]

Sometimes the healer also has some ability that lets you get bonus points out of a surge, so when you surge you get an extra +3 or something.

I can't remember if Althaea has that or not, offhand.

Otherwise, yes, you've got the general idea yep.

[attriel]

I'm trying out a different mapper, based off the official tilesets. Bonus -- I don't have to draw every little square; negative -- all i've found for markers so far is basic A-Z, but the formats seem simple enough that I may be able to make more if I find a source

So, here's a rendition of the battlefield after the last battle. The markers are each PCs initial (and pet's initial)

It's definitely a more finicky tool, but it might help with me not liking drawing out large maps if I can do them with blocks instead of per-space.

[attriel]

I'm going to try to put together a fuller map for the journeying, fora better feel. Otherwise, how do you guys like it?

Also, work is kicking my ass this week, sorry for the lack of updates.

[attriel]

So yeah, after all that discussion about it being a tree, I realized my scale was off and turned it into a pile of trees. Sorry for that confusion.

[DirkDarkBlade]

Sorry guys, I've been gone and then sick for the past few days. I haven't been able to sit at a computer much. I hope I haven't held up the game.

[DinbinFanfoom]

"Onward to the ruins then?"

[attriel]

Sorry guys, I've been gone and then sick for the past few days. I haven't been able to sit at a computer much. I hope I haven't held up the game.

Nah. I tied to use a new map program. it got all confusing

To wit, the tree/rift, the tree/tent/pits ...

Actually, which ruins are you guys going to? if I get time this evening, I'm seriously contemplating scrapping the map and restarting it, and try harder to make the pictures line up reasonably; I had it zoomed out when I was putting the tiles in, and they seem to be slightly different close up. And it's causing us all ocnfusion, especially me :/

So, tell me where you're going, and when I make a new map I'll make it of there :o

[DinbinFanfoom]

The ruins are on the west side, no?

[attriel]

Since Dinbin (Fia) is out of town until the 27th, someone might want to take over posting for them, or this is going to slow down even further than "busy at work" :!

[attriel]

Hey, sorry guys, my laptop sat in a puddle the other night, and it doesn't appear to be working. I'll try to get a post up today, but it might be a few days instead (like, until I get a new one)

[EricStratton]

Ugh. Laptop, get well soon.

[DirkDarkBlade]

So being prone what are my options?

Can I stand (move action) and Attack? or can I only stand up?

How come I got one good roll and all the mobs got good rolls against me? 8) I mean a N20? jeez.

[attriel]

Standing up is a move action, or you can attack from prone at a -2

• You grant combat advantage to enemies making melee attacks against you.
• You can’t move from your space, although you can teleport, crawl, or be forced to move by a pull, a push, or a slide.
• You get a +2 bonus to all defenses against ranged attacks from nonadjacent enemies.
• You are lying down. However, if you are climbing or flying, you fall.
• You take a -2 penalty to attack rolls.

[attriel]

I went ahead and picked a move for Belvar, since I think he ended up about a turn behind on posting

And all of his at will melee's have about the same effect when he can only attack on thing anyway :o

[Kiir]

Just for everyone's info Althaea is out of her basic heal, been used already now. I have a regen for bloodied party members left that I am probably going to cast this turn, though it isn't a massive heal it may help a bit. I strongly encourage anyone worried about their hit points to surge though (hi Dirk!).

[DirkDarkBlade]

I haven't gotten as far as surges? I'm not a healer so I wasn't aware I could heal. Sorry I'd look this up in the books but I'm crazy busy at work just now. I can try to look it up tomorrow night.

[attriel]

I haven't gotten as far as surges? I'm not a healer so I wasn't aware I could heal. Sorry I'd look this up in the books but I'm crazy busy at work just now. I can try to look it up tomorrow night.

specifically: Second Wind

[DirkDarkBlade]

OK if Second Wind is a standard action. Does that mean.

1 I can only do it or attack (but not both).
2 I can do both but it costs me my "action point" for this battle.
3 I should move out of the way of the skele and heal.
4 I have misunderstood the rules and eveyone is shocked.

I am pretty sure 2 is the correct answer (4 is a given). but thought it best to ask first then post Dirk's action.

[attriel]

OK if Second Wind is a standard action. Does that mean.

1 I can only do it or attack (but not both).
2 I can do both but it costs me my "action point" for this battle.
3 I should move out of the way of the skele and heal.
4 I have misunderstood the rules and eveyone is shocked.

I am pretty sure 2 is the correct answer (4 is a given). but thought it best to ask first then post Dirk's action.

1 2 and 3 are all valid

During a turn you get a minor, a move, and a standard.

On your character sheet printout/pdf, the power cards at the end should each tell you what kind of action it is.

Attacking is a Standard action, Second Wind is a Standard action.
Some attack-like actions might be Move or Minor, and somewhere I think there's some race/class/feat that turns Second Wind into a Move action.

But for this fight,
1) You can only attack or heal
2) You can attack AND heal if you use the Action Point
3) You can move (shift) away from the skeleton and heal, and next turn you can move back in to attack
4) You also have the option of using a Minor action to end Althaeas healing spell power on you, which will immediately give you 10 or 12 HP (I don't remember the exact # offhand, it's in her post) It gives you a surge's effect, like the second wind, but does not give you the defensive bonuses.

[attriel]

I haven't forgotten you guys, I've just been hellaciously busy lately.

I'll see about getting this back on track this week.

Is everyone still interested, or have I succesfully lost everyone's attention? :o

[DirkDarkBlade]

You haven't lost my attention. Dirk is teetering on the edge of the pit waiting to see how horendously bad a decision he has made. (hehe). I knew from other posts on the board (and chat) that things have been really busy for you. I've been busy a lot lately (and next week isn't looking good either) so it was a good time for me to take a break too.

[EricStratton]

I'm still here w/ my attention focused.

[DinbinFanfoom]

I'm always here.

[DirkDarkBlade]

A couple of questions about our new encounter.

What is the large CT thing? Is it a mob or a column or is it something we don't know about yet?

I'm one square away from any mobs. Can I attack from that far away or do I need to be adjacent (I don't remember off hand). Since I can only move or attack during the surprise round I'd like to make the most of it.

My thought is either to attack the one along the wall nearest me. Or if I have to move to move up to him to make room for y'all to move in to attack. Of course being a rouge running away squealing like a school girl isn't entirely out of the question either 8)

[attriel]

A couple of questions about our new encounter.

What is the large CT thing? Is it a mob or a column or is it something we don't know about yet?

I'm one square away from any mobs. Can I attack from that far away or do I need to be adjacent (I don't remember off hand). Since I can only move or attack during the surprise round I'd like to make the most of it.

My thought is either to attack the one along the wall nearest me. Or if I have to move to move up to him to make room for y'all to move in to attack. Of course being a rouge running away squealing like a school girl isn't entirely out of the question either 8)

Your perception was high enough, I let you see all the mobs. Initially you were only going to get to see the Warforged, but I decided to give you the boost for the high roll. It's highlighted b/c it's the last one I un-hid. They are all mobs (7 of them), you can take knowledge checks to figure out what they are, although not during the surprise round. Arcana and Dungeoneering would be the relevant rolls to figure things out.

You can be in B0 if you'd like to be two squares away. I don't know how that would help, but I thought I'd offer. I stopped your advance and we entered initiative as soon as you would have seen them. Except I can't put things in column 0.

There's a basic charge (move 2 squares and melee basic attack), or you might have a power that lets you take a step before attacking; thus why I'll let you decide which square to be in, so you can pick the most beneficial starting point for yourself.

Also, I can give a description of the inhabitants of the room, if you'd like. I just figured Dirk stopped looking around when he noticed the mean looking things that wanna stab him ;)

[DinbinFanfoom]

I'm guessing the rest of the party isn't on the map and that room is full of mobs (that's how it looks to me... am I wrong?)

Dirk: skedaddle back to us. We'll use the narrower passage as a chokepoint and keep too many from attacking us. Plus a corner is good... means only so many ranged can see us at a time. Regardless, don't attack 10 mobs by yourself!

Atty: Can you show more of Dirk's passageway to show where the rest of the party is? How far behind are we? Also, is there some kind of "key" or "legend" to show what all the symbols mean?

[attriel]

Unfortunately, the tool I'm using shows the room that has the encounter.

The party is ~20' back (4 squares back from 0) and there's an angle (so, you're probably at C{-4} give or take). Also a bit of a ramp, but nothing significant (maybe up 5' from Dirk's level)

The tool appears to give PC's red tokens and NPCs black's; I haven't figured out how to put in ZeroOne and Althaea's summon yet, so I don't know if I can pick a third color for them or not.

I can draw up a corridor map in the online tool, if folks want.

[DirkDarkBlade]

Is it possible for Dirk to swap places with Watcher and attack the mob (since we are next to each other and he is prone)?

[attriel]

Is it possible for Dirk to swap places with Watcher and attack the mob (since we are next to each other and he is prone)?

Well, you can stand over his prone body yes.

Except he wasn't prone during your turn.

If he decides to hang out on the ground, you can step over him next turn though.

[DirkDarkBlade]

Well, you can stand over his prone body yes.

Except he wasn't prone during your turn.

If he decides to hang out on the ground, you can step over him next turn though.

Oh I guess that is what I meant...for next turn. Sorry.

[DinbinFanfoom]

So where we at?

[DirkDarkBlade]

I think we are waiting on Althea's action. Then the top of the batting order takes over again.

I am trying to think what use Dirk can be in the second rank, and I'm beggining to think I should be looking for secret doors to escape through, or that lead to secret passages so I can get behind the Mobs.

[attriel]

We're waiting on Althaea, b/c the front line are pretty badly hurt so I figure she might want to pick her own turn. If someone else in the party wants to pick her turn, go ahead.

Then it'll be top of the order again (belvar, fia, watcher, all), but since B & W need to know what kind of healing they're getting ...

OTOH, I haven't seen Belvar lately, and Althaea's busy ...

I guess the three of you still here regularly -- keep it going and find a way to pick up the pace when someone's not posting? Or euthanize the whole thing and put you out of your misery of waiting?

And I admit, I keep ended up at my posting turn right when I get hellishly busy and end up waiting a week or two before I can make a post; I'm trying to work on that