A continuation of conversation - The comic discussion from..

[Drax]

last week.

Del, I just finished reading the newest issues of Hulk, New X-Men, and Green Arrow, and I have to say that I mostly disagree with what you said.

The Hulk was very cool. A thoroughly enjoyable read. I like the direction it's taking with the current storyline, and honestly cannot wait for a resolution to the bounty hunter storyline (which I think is hand-in-hand with this one, but we'll see...).

New XMen: I think the art could be better, but it's fairly easy to tell who's who, unless you never read X-Force (prior to Cable's departure from the team) or Generation X (prior to the book's cancellation). Since I doubt if you read either, I can understand why you would not be able to recognize who was who. Monet was a Gen-Xer, a team of the youngest X-Men led by Banshee and White Queen. The others in the "rescue squad" were former X-Force members, assembled and for quite a while led by Cable (Nathan Dayspring Summers) - Cannonball (the Jet-Ass line cracked me up :)), Richtor, and Siryn (didn't join the team until Cable had practically left the book). The others of the team were Darkstar who I think was a member of X-Force for a very short time before the current creative team took over on the book, and Multiple Man (Jamie Madrox) who was a member of X-Factor during one of the X-books evolutions (Issue #71, if you're interested; a fun read, especially the introduction of Strong Guy :D) and more recently a member of the X-Corps from the past several months in Uncanny X-Men.

Green Arrow I thought was pretty decent as well. I thought the writing wasn't up to the usual Kevin Smith standards, but it was still a good read. And I think the villain is awesome. Such a great concept, imo. No dialogue from him except sound effects he hears or creates. Very fun, if a bit on the disturbing side.

[Asharad]

Well, again, I have really liked the Hulk up to this point, I just thought this particular issue was the weakest of the bunch. I really like how Jones was exploring how Bruce works to control the monster (with all of that zen meditation stuff). I like the parts where Bruce was alone with the main bad guy, but the rest seemed just a bit off.

X-Men, my problem really was the art. I'm only reading X-Men cause Morrison is writing it, so I don't know how any of these people are. Problem is, I can hardly recognize the characters I do know. I did recognize Cannonball, from his New Mutants days, and I thought the puke joke was funny.

I agree about Onamonapia. Great bad guy, and the sound effect thing- while it could be funny- actually ends up being really creepy. Again, like the Hulk, I just thought this issue was just kinda off.

Last week we had the new Alias by Bendis, which was wonderful. Alias is about Jesscia Jones, a former Avenger who is now just a regular old private investigator. Powers (also by Bendis) which is simply the best comic out today (except for maybe Transmetropolitan). The Filth by Morrison, which is weird in that special Grant Morrison way, but very good.

[Drax]

Yeah, I have collected every issue of Alias up until last week, when they had already sold out by the time I went on Fri (it's not on my pull list). I've been wanting to quit a few books for a while now, since I'm spending more per month than I really want to, so I figure Alias will be my first.

I also plan to stop collecting:
Punisher when the Ennis/Dillon run is finished
Green Arrow when Smith leaves
Warlands - I'm really not as interested in an adult Zeph as I thought I'd be 1) when the character was introduced in the first volume (I thought he was the highlight to the first Warlands series) and 2) when the Ice Age story began
Warlands' the spinoff series Shidima and Banished Knights
Uncanny X-Men after next month's issue (the conclusion to the current storyline); I'm disappointed with the current direction and, more importantly, with a character that was introduced about six months ago called Stacy. I'm still a little upset that Colossus was irrevocably killed off. It was done in a very admirable and honest way, with real motivation, not the usual "This character sucks/was a mistake/should never have been imagined and we need to do something about it."

[Caranthir]

I haven't been able to read the X-Men since their big copout with the Onslaught crossover. I think it would have been really interesting to see Xavier as bad guy, if only for a little while. Anyway, since then, what little I've heard hasn't interested me a tenth as much as the 'Age of Apocalypse' storyline did. I sort of wish they'd just permanently set the books in that world.

I've started reading GL again, as well as the Flash (he's got the best Rogue's Gallery in comics, and Geoff Johns' writing makes them that much better), and Exiles. Other than that, I'm really looking forward to Kevin Smith's run on Amazing Spider-Man.

[Caranthir]

Darkstar who I think was a member of X-Force for a very short time before the current creative team took over on the book

Is this supposed to be Dani Moonstar? If it is, she was an original member of the New Mutants under the name Mirage, before she became a Valkyrie and dropped out of sight for a long while.

[Drax]

Yeah, I think it is Dani Moonstar, but I'm not too sure, which is why I didn't discuss her much. I started reading New Mutants a few issues after the debut of Cable, then continued reading X-Force from the start until the mid 50s of the book. I think the Onslaught stuff was the last of that book that I picked up.

Yeah, Xavier as the villain would've been very cool at that time. I think the conclusion wasn't too bad tho'. The followup crossover left a lot more to be desired, Operation: Zero Tolerance. Bastion's origin was a letdown, imo.

If you want to check out what an evil Xavier is all about, try to check out the most recent issues of New X-Men, from issue ~114 through ~122 or so. Some very cool stuff in there.

AoA is one of my favorite stories ever. I don't think it's so much seeing familiar faces in different or new roles, but the sheer scope of the project. Spending four months plus, retooling several books (UXM, Xmen, Xforce, Xfactor, GenX, Cable, Xmen unlimited, and a couple others), and so on. And the fact that the story did exactly was Marvel wanted was just icing on the cake, for them and us.

A year or two ago, Marvel and the X-books had a brief crossover, about a month long, called Ages of Apocalypse. Its prelude involved several monhts in Cable and both X-books, and centralized around Cable. It involved the gathering of the Ten, the ten people who were thought to be capable, when together, of killing Apocalypse when he eventually was reborn. This was according to a prophecy by Destiny (Mystique's friend Irene). Turns out the prophecy was created by Apocalypse himself and the Ten were to give Nur ultimate and everlasting power. Very cool twist to a storyline that had been developing over the past few years, since I think Blaquesmith's first appearance in Cable #21 (the first issue post AoA). I don't remember who fully encompassed the Ten, tho' I know Cyclops, X-Man, and Storm were included. I can pull the issue out when I get home. In any case, the prophecy was supposed to end with Apocalypse being reborn into the body of X-Man, a version of Cable uninhabited by the Techno-Organic Virus. Instead, Cyclops jumped into the stream and absorbed Cyclops instead, which set up another miniseries a year later and caused the current "coolness" factor of Cyclops to increase manyfold.

A-hem. Wow, a novel. Sorry about that. Anyway, you should check out the paperback version of Ages of Apocalypse, which is a cool short little story and worth reading. :D

[Shiz]

Why don't the 3 of you comic book boneheads move to Hawaii and get married?

:roll:

[Asharad]

The Grant Morrison new X-Men has been great (I don't generally read X titles) and should, as I think Drax mentioned, be available collected now.

And Vermont would be closer for me, but there are three of us, so we'd have to swing by utah as well.

[Drax]

Why don't the 3 of you comic book boneheads move to Hawaii and get married?
Well, simply put, I'm not into that sort of thing. Plus, my GF would disapprove.

Tho' I've never been to Hawaii... :roll:

I'll get back to you on that.

Aloha!

[Asharad]

Come on Drax, you know you want me.

[Shiz]

Don't mind me. I was just salty because I missed the X-Men Kids cartoon on Saturday.

[GravenStone]

Don't mind me. I was just salty because I missed the X-Men Kids cartoon on Saturday.

Bah, there was no X-Men this past weekend.. Fox showed double episodes of several other shows. I must say, now that I've accepted the conceit of the new series, it's rather grown on me over the last two seasons.

[Caranthir]

You mean to tell me there's a channel out there that still shows Saturday morning cartoons? I thought they were all into the teeny-bopper Saved By the Bell crap now. It's why I started sleeping in on Saturdays.

[Shiz]

The WB definitely has cartoons until 11am. ABC and FOX have them as well, but they stop earlier.

[Lycos]

Do you avid comic book readers know of a comic book that a 5 yr. old girl would like to read or one that is popular for that age group?

[Asharad]

I'll look into it for you Lycos.

[Asharad]

A couple of suggestions from the Warren Ellis Forum, one of the smartest spots on the net which also happens to be the hang out for a ton of the biggest comics creators:

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GO GIRL!

Meet GoGirl! Lindsay Goldman's mom was a superhero in the 1970's, and now it looks like Lindsay is following in the family tradition! Published quarterly in black and white by Image Comics, GoGirl! is a fun all-ages comic that's perfect for your daughter, neice, cousin, or for you! Each issue features great colour page pin-ups, paper dolls, and artwork and letters from you, the readers! Look for GoGirl! at your local comic book store!

GoGirl! #1
Lindsay Goldman's mom was a superheroine in the 1970s, but she quit to become a wife and mother. She doesn't know that her teenage daughter has inherited her ability to fly. When Lindsay's best friend is kidnapped, she decides it's time to become a superheroine and go to the rescue -- only it takes more than the ability to fly to be a superheroine! Written by Trina Robbins, with art by Anne Timmons, lettering and production by Sean Glumace, and colours by Christopher Butcher. GoGirl #1 - 32 pages - b&w - $3.50 - DCD JUN000967D.


GoGirl! #2
Poor Lindsay! Her birthday falls on Christmas and she feels ignored and unappreciated. But then she gets a chance to see what the world would be like if she never existed. Does this remind you of a certain Jimmy Stewart movie that they show on TV every Christmas? You betcha! Written by Trina Robbins, with art by Anne Timmons, lettering and production by Sean Glumace, and colours by Christopher Butcher. GoGirl! #2 - 32 pages - b&w - $3.50 - DCD OCT001301D.


GoGirl! #3
You think it's easy being a teenage superhero? The cute guys are too intimidated to ask Lindsay out, and the girls feel threatened. But that's nothing! Wait till Lindsay meets -- The Teacher From Hell! Written by Trina Robbins, with art by Anne Timmons, lettering and production by Tom Orzechowski, and colours and production by Christopher Butcher. GoGirl! #3 - 32 pages - b&w - $3.50 - DCD FEB011270D.


GoGirl! #4
Cowgirls and rustlers and aliens, oh my! When Lindsay and her mom decide to vacation at a dude ranch owned by Janet's old crime-fighting partner, they haven't reckoned with a scary hired man and mysteriously disappearing cattle. Lindsay does some sleuthing and discovers that the truth is out there! Award-winner Trina Robbins (Inkpot, Lulu awards) joins Eisner nominee Anne Timmons and prize-winning letterer Tom Orzechowski (Every award in comics!) to produce a critically acclaimed comic for girls and the boys who like them. GoGirl #4 - 32 pages - b&w - $3.50 - DCD JUN011329D.


GoGirl! #5
GoGirl! #5 finds Lindsay in the arms of a dilemma. Suddenly the three most popular girls in her school have super powers. But where did they come from? And who is the mysterious Chatty Catty? Find out in "Out of the Woodwork."

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Probably more to come. I don't know much about 5 year old girls OR their comics, so I can't attest to the the accuracy of this info- but I'd say it was pretty good.

[Asharad]

Herobear And The Kid.

It's about a kid and his hero-bear :) Sorry - look here for details: Astonish Comics (www.astonishcomics.com)

They also do other all-ages books that you might want to look at.
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POWERPUFF GIRLS: THE MOVIE

It came out last week. Should still be in stores.

[Caranthir]

You might also try the Cartoon Network comics: Dexter's Laboratory and Powerpuff Girls in particular.

[Asharad]

AKIKO - the Wizard of Oz in space. A young girl has adventures with a mixed group of friends, including a robot, an alien, a stuffy old professor type, and a scruffy pilot

[Shiz]

Now that sounds like an interesting porno.

[Asharad]

I thought so too...but apparently its for kids.

Course, if you think about it, the original Wizard of Oz would have made an interesting porno.

[Sir Rubi]

I thought so too...but apparently its for kids.

Course, if you think about it, the original Wizard of Oz would have made an interesting porno.

Would have? Heck, who's to say it didn't? They've writting pr0n for Cinderella (heard a story from a parent once who got it from a local movie rental joint - the person behind the counter had mistakenly placed the pr0n version "Sinderella" into the "Cinderella" case) and the Japanese have entire series of hentai based on American stories...

Then there's a set of books written by Anne Rice under a pseudonym about Sleeping Beauty... *grins at Serani* :twisted:

[GravenStone]

Then there's a set of books written by Anne Rice under a pseudonym about Sleeping Beauty... *grins at Serani* :twisted:

A shame Anne Rice couldn't write here way out of a wet paper bag.... of, and the A. N. Roqulaire (close enough on the spelling, dammit) books (her nomme de porn) ain't all that... ain't even close in fact.

[Sir Rubi]

Then there's a set of books written by Anne Rice under a pseudonym about Sleeping Beauty... *grins at Serani* :twisted:

A shame Anne Rice couldn't write here way out of a wet paper bag.... of, and the A. N. Roqulaire (close enough on the spelling, dammit) books (her nomme de porn) ain't all that... ain't even close in fact.

My, such venom! :shock:

*hands Gravenstone a cookie*

I didn't think that the Beauty books were that terrible. We're halfway through the 2nd of the series and the story was pretty good for erotica. Serani has quite the Anne Rice collection, herself, though I haven't ever been that much of a fan.

Then again, I like authors such as David Drake, Chris Claremont (yes, the same one)and Anne McCaffrey. I've also read and enjoyed some Heinlein, but I've always been partial to sci-fi and fantasy. *shrug*

[Asharad]

Top notch erotica (not pron): Delta of Venus by Anais Nin, available at your local barns and noble and guarenteed to do the job.

It's like reading a classic novel with lots of graphic screwing in it. It is a collection of short stories and the brevity is useful considering the reason you are reading it.

[Serani]

Top notch erotica (not pron): Delta of Venus by Anais Nin, available at your local barns and noble and guarenteed to do the job.

It's like reading a classic novel with lots of graphic screwing in it. It is a collection of short stories and the brevity is useful considering the reason you are reading it.

Hmm. I'll have to check that out. I've always enjoyed the Beauty series and before that I was stuck with the "Best of" series which is okay, but not that great. At leasted based on where I was living. Course maybe looking for erotica in an area filled with Amish and Mennonites isn't the best idea...

[Asharad]

Course maybe looking for erotica in an area filled with Amish and Mennonites isn't the best idea...

"Sarah, verily come and churn my butter."

[Serani]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Lycos]

Thanks for the information guys! I think we'll be shopping for some comics very soon.

But how did my request for my sweet little girl turn into a conversation of...


PRON! :shock:

[Biaxin]

Hey,

My current faves:

Alias
Transmetropolitan
Promethea
Powers
Knockout!
Strangers In Paradise
Cage

My dealer turned me on to The Metabarons, based on Moebius characters and with a storyline based on warrior honor taken to extraordinary extremes, as told by funny robots. Odd, yet compelling.

[Lycos]

Well, last night I bought my daughter the latest Scooby Doo and Power Puff Girls comics. Let's see if that hooks her for life and she becomes the sought after "future wife" of all comic book nerds, err enthusiasts.

[GravenStone]

Well, last night I bought my daughter the latest Scooby Doo and Power Puff Girls comics. Let's see if that hooks her for life and she becomes the sought after "future wife" of all comic book nerds, err enthusiasts.

Now tell me, are we really the sorts of people you want your little girl growing up to be pursued by? :shock:

[Asharad]

Hey,

My current faves:

Alias
Transmetropolitan
Powers


Good books. Those three are a handful of my favorites too.

[Lycos]

Now tell me, are we really the sorts of people you want your little girl growing up to be pursued by? :shock:


Hmmmm...

Actually, if this gives me someone to talk to about the finer things in life then...

YES.

Except for Ash, he'd break her heart! :lol:

[Drax]

Except for Ash, he'd break her heart! :lol:

The evil bastard!

[Asharad]

Guilty as charged.

[Sagar]

Ash, You still hittin' on 8 year old girls?

[Lycos]

Ash, You still hittin' on 8 year old girls?

My daughter's 5. But I am sure Ash has standards, and 8 is probably minimum.

Just kidding.

[Serani]

Hmmm. My daughter's 10. Maybe I should keep her away from /gu, eh?
;) :P

[Asharad]

Naw, anyone under 21...well 19 anyways, is perfectly safe. :D