Heroes Spoiler Thread

[shadowgate]

Ok, what did you think and what interesting things did you notice or wonder about?

I liked it and would give it a solid 8 out of 10 so far.

Questions:
1.) Did both brothers actually fly or only older brother (the cannidate).

2.) Does the stepfather of the cheerleader know that the cheerleader has powers? (I am assuming he does).

3.) Who is the step-father? (Seems to be a "bad" guy but is he and if he is does he have powers?)

4.) Does the strippers son have powers or is he just very smart?

[EricStratton]

In line.
Questions:
1.) Did both brothers actually fly or only older brother (the cannidate).

I think both can fly.

2.) Does the stepfather of the cheerleader know that the cheerleader has powers? (I am assuming he does).

I don't think he does.

3.) Who is the step-father? (Seems to be a "bad" guy but is he and if he is does he have powers?)

Dunno.

4.) Does the strippers son have powers or is he just very smart?

Maybe being very smart *is* his super power.

[Draknor]

Well, it didn't suck. So I'll give it another try next week.

Nice touch with the two guys up on stage in the bar in Japan. I have to wonder if there were other easter eggs I missed.

[shadowgate]

Well, it didn't suck. So I'll give it another try next week.

Nice touch with the two guys up on stage in the bar in Japan. I have to wonder if there were other easter eggs I missed.

Noticed the two guys but what was special about them?

[Greebo]

I am with Draknor - it didn't suck, but it was kind of slow moving which is to be expected I guess. Looking forward to next week to see how it progresses.

[Draknor]

Noticed the two guys but what was special about them?

They did a little lip-synch performance to that song and it ended up on the web. I think someone posted a linkie here awhile back.

Edit: here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6739710473912337648&q=chinese&pr) it is. Watch at own risk.

[Lycos]

Last night, I watched it, and I agree. Not bad. I'll definitely watch again next week. :D

[EricStratton]

They did a little lip-synch performance to that song and it ended up on the web. I think someone posted a linkie here awhile back.

Edit: here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6739710473912337648&q=chinese&pr) it is. Watch at own risk.
I'll be damned, the wife was right? She thought she recognized them from that video but I figured it couldn't possibly have been them.

[shadowgate]

Oh, to add to the show there is a online comic that goes along with the show.

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novel_001.shtml

[Greebo]

1.) Did both brothers actually fly or only older brother (the cannidate).
It looked like only the older one to me.

2.) Does the stepfather of the cheerleader know that the cheerleader has powers? (I am assuming he does).
I got the impression that the adoptive father (chearleader said "real parents" - suggesting adoption, not foster or step) does not know. He was going after the scientist who was discovering the new heroes. Could be wrong tho - could know all about them.

3.) Who is the step-father? (Seems to be a "bad" guy but is he and if he is does he have powers?)
No impression of powers - i'm thinking government controlling agency or something.

4.) Does the strippers son have powers or is he just very smart?
Smart

[Greebo]

Oh, to add to the show there is a online comic that goes along with the show.

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novel_001.shtml
Bit slow isn't it...

[Caranthir]

I think only the older brother has flown so far, but at the end his younger brother started to fall, so I'm guessing we'll find out that he can fly too.

And I'm guessing that the cheerleader is probably related to one or more of the other heroes. Why else would they push the fact that she's adopted?

[attriel]

I think only the older brother has flown so far, but at the end his younger brother started to fall, so I'm guessing we'll find out that he can fly too.

And I'm guessing that the cheerleader is probably related to one or more of the other heroes. Why else would they push the fact that she's adopted?

or bounce :o

[shadowgate]

Ok, yeah didn't mean stepfather, meant adoptive father. Next after looking at the comic which mentions the genetic scientist father went to NY to investigate subject zero. I am wondering if subject zero could be the adoptive father and based on the comic that he has super strength. I agree that the adoptive father seems more like the government spook type but who knows! :) Next the older brother is flying for sure but if he is the only one flying then his younger brother has somekind of power too as he seems to at least have a mental connection to his brother... kind of like if they where twins.

[Aananla]

The younger brother of the candidate didn't appear to be just dead weight when his brother caught him, though there was obvious strain on the older brother. I'd say he can fly too, or bounce, but hasn't learned how yet.

[Draknor]

or bounce

Oh god no. No no no. If he names himself Superball I'm going to quit watching right there on the spot.:lowlol:

[Charinida]

Definitely some Star Trek reference with Hiro... I wonder how he's gonna explain that to his co-worker? :D

and that mother (of the cheerleader) is a nut with "Mr Muggles" ... *wince* and that garbage disposal scene... Eeeee! Crazy dog...

And what's with the eclipse? That's not the central focus overall that brings everyone together?

The NY skyline looks totally different nowadays... Lots of things happen in NY...

Man, I hope Nathan and Peter get their differences worked out... Maybe their powers came about from the stress, or they have to work together?

Trying to figure out the ghost of that stripper...

So, he (Isaac) died? :( If so, does his final painting show NY being ripped apart by flames and other forms of destruction?

[Quervo]

I watched the next on HERO after the show... You hear the 2 brothers talking and the older tells the younger that "you flew too" then i cuts to the psychic cop. And the painter is still in show intro pictures... I doubt they would put him there to only kill him off in the first 2 shows....

[Raveneye]

So, um, WTF?

I thought the quality of last night's show was quite a bit lower than that of the pilot. I wonder if they lost a writer in between penning the pilot and getting picked up for network TV.

So now we have a serial killer who targets people with "powers" and scoops out their brains (likely for a snack). WHY?! Did we really need another cliche serial killer villian, especially one so hokey? I'm sure it'll turn out that he absorbs their powers this way, hence the seemingly dual abilities of freezing and telekenisis he displayed in dispatching the little girl's parents. Still, it feels goofy somehow, like it was tacked on to the show after the fact.

I like the cop that can read thoughts. I especially like that he's not an attractive could-be model like damn near all the other super friends (Hiro excepted of course). I thought it was dumb that they arrested him just because he knew about Cyler, I mean he was in the room when the two agents were talking (out loud) about it.

The stripper seems to have an alter ego that is a vigilante. It would explain the missing time, and why there is already at least one body buried in the place where the alter-ego sent her to dispose of the bad guys.

I wonder if the neighbor girl is what she seems. She'll either turn out to be working with the bad guys, or she'll have latent super powers herself.

I wonder about the nurse guy. He almost seems to have the power of mimicing other peoples powers. First his brother's flying thing, then in this episode after he touched Isaac last episode now he can draw the future. Hmmm...maybe he's being set up to take on Cyler in a battle of the super-absorbant mutant guys? :smile:

G-Man dad is creepier than ever. I wonder if HE could be Cyler, the serial killer?

Hiro's wrinkle with the time travel took me by surprise, totally didn't see that coming. He's still the best "Hero", and I like how he's directly involved int he main plotline now that he knows what will happen, when, and how to reach Isaac. So he, Isaac, nurse guy and his brother are all tied together, we just have to get cheerleader, stripper and cop guy into the mix.

[Greebo]

I'm not reading this yet. I'm just marking my place to find it after I watch it tonight.

[DirkDarkBlade]

I liked the show but it was pretty slow paced. It was hard to keep my complete attention. One thing I missed; who was it on the floor with his head cut open and his brains scopped out? Was that the painter?

To the questions at hand:
1.) Did both brothers actually fly or only older brother (the cannidate). I think both flew. I think the candidate knew about the ability and it is stronger than his brother. Or it could be the candidates power that made his brother fly, and his brother doesn't really have any powers. More likely they both can fly (and they may have to be together for it to work).

2.) Does the stepfather of the cheerleader know that the cheerleader has powers? (I am assuming he does).
Yes. At least now that he's watched the tape he does.

3.) Who is the step-father? (Seems to be a "bad" guy but is he and if he is does he have powers?)
I vote government agent.

4.) Does the strippers son have powers or is he just very smart?
Smart.

[Draknor]

Remove the brain thing - hokey as hell. But maybe the brains are needed for "analysis" or something equally comic-book like.

I still have to wonder how the stripper got the car titled in her name. And I have to wonder why the evil bad guy hasn't bumped off his step-daughter yet (other than the fact that she's painfully cute). And heck, why are they keeping the scientist's son alive?

I kinda wish they would have left telepathic powers out of this story, but I can see where that'd be an extremely useful ability as a police detective. I'm assuming he'll make detective after they let him go. Heck, at least they didn't make a lawyer the telepath.:D

[shadowgate]

The missing brains are one of two things. Cyler eats them to take on thier powers or the government studying them. My bet is on Cyler. The younger brother has Rogue like powers... is my bet as well.

[Greebo]

The only thing about little bro being a rogue type is that he mentioned waking up and his bed (or him?) levitating until he realised it. He also (according to bro) flew just before hitting ground. Then he was shown several feet from older brother, walking towards him on air. If he's a rogue, he's got a ranged ability. I think he simply can fly.

If stripper's mirror image is an alter ego, then the question is, how much else doesn't stripper girl remember? Alter ego could have been doing a Fight Club Brad Pitt thing for a while now. Apparently it isn't just mirrors that can set her off - seeing herself can do it maybe? I mean she's watching the video camera, she sees herself, then she sees static, then she wakes up hours later in a parking log in diff clothes...

[Draknor]

Hmm. Also, does the stripper actually have super powers? Or has the alter-ego just been taking martial arts classes for years when nobody is lookin'?

[shadowgate]

The only thing about little bro being a rogue type is that he mentioned waking up and his bed (or him?) levitating until he realised it. He also (according to bro) flew just before hitting ground. Then he was shown several feet from older brother, walking towards him on air. If he's a rogue, he's got a ranged ability. I think he simply can fly.

If stripper's mirror image is an alter ego, then the question is, how much else doesn't stripper girl remember? Alter ego could have been doing a Fight Club Brad Pitt thing for a while now. Apparently it isn't just mirrors that can set her off - seeing herself can do it maybe? I mean she's watching the video camera, she sees herself, then she sees static, then she wakes up hours later in a parking log in diff clothes...

Well the brother could have had enough contact with his older brother to make the power part of him (kind of like Rogue got from Ms Marvel but without taking it from his brother).

The question is, is there really a double or it is her doing the kind of jump around time thing and saving herself? The blacking out thing is lost time while she is doing other things! :) Looks like we will get more on this next time. At first I kind of thought this was the least interesting character with the whole killing thing but there maybe more depth to this. The question is what will happen once the cop gets near her?

[Zyzzyx]

I think I'll just save time. Read this thread instead of watching the show.

[Greebo]

I think I'll just save time. Read this thread instead of watching the show.
The cheerleader and stripper girls are both hot.

[Zyzzyx]

Well, post some pictures then. Geez...

[Barrack]

Blast, this is what I get for not paying attention to the boards, a thread about a new Live Action Supers show.

[Aananla]

Actually, this thread about the show is better than the actual show. :lowlol:

[Draknor]

I thought chapter 3 was ok. I have to wonder why you do an autopsy when it's clear the person is dead because she has a big stick in her head, though. Interesting that she isn't like Wolverine in that she stays dead until the offending foreign object is removed, however.

So, it seems the government (or whoever they are) have their own super-powered people. I have to wonder if the black guy in the bar that felled the telepath is the stripper's former husband.

And it seems Syler has regenerative and maybe flight powers, too.

[Caranthir]

Good point about the autopsy. The guys where I did my internship would have probably cracked the head, but that's about all they'd do. It would have been interesting to watch the cheerleader try to put the top of her skull back in place.

I kind of got the impression we were supposed to think that the stripper's alter ego may have been the one to kill the guys her husband went to jail for.

[Raveneye]

OK, after last night's episode all naughty thoughts pertaining to the cheerleader have fled screaming from my head. Yikes!! I wonder if she's at the actual morgue or maybe the government facility where they'll be taking the psychic cop?

I too think the stripper may have killed those guys and the husband was covering for her. I think the kid may know or suspect something from the look he gave her when she asked how he knew his dad was safe. Not sure if the dad is the psychic guy in the bar, but it would explain a lot. It's also possible that stripper's alter ego already killed the dad and has the money hidden someplace, all of which could be slowly revealed as she learns more.

Syler is obviously absorbing powers somehow. The cops think he's a serial killer who sometimes mutilates his victims, but the map and the secret room obviously indicate he's killing "supers", and the multitude of powers he posseses (freeze, levitation, telekenesis, regenreate) all suggest he's "collecting" powers. Wonder why he wants the little girl though?

Hiro is still the star of the show, despite having barely spoken a word of English so far. I love how he convinced his friend to come with him, but it looks like his comic is at an end, so what do they do next? Subtle Pontiac Vibe commercial placement there, wonder how much that cost?

GOOD NEWS: I saw yesterday that Heroes is the first new fall show to get picked up for a full 22 episode run. It apparently scores highest among viewers 18-49 on Monday nights, which is the market segment advertisers love.

[Greebo]

Subtle Pontiac Vibe commercial placement there, wonder how much that cost?
Wasn't it a Nissan?

[attriel]

Wasn't it a Nissan?

i guess the product placement wasn't quite as good as they thought, then :o

[shadowgate]

It's also possible that stripper's alter ego already killed the dad and has the money hidden someplace, all of which could be slowly revealed as she learns more.

Yeah, that would explaign how she bought a new(old) car. I would say it was stolen but it is registered to her.

Also, obviously the person she "borrowed" the money from is a powerful mob guy with obvious ties to the police...

I am also guessing Hiro and his friend will be meeting up with the stripper soon... that should be interesting ... especially for the friend! :eek!::lowrazz:

[Greebo]

I'm glad they've run out of comic book. I feel its kind of cheating - WE aren't supposed to see the script. Pretty cool tho. Thought the saving the little girl from the truck was great - they caused the accident and then saved her lol.

Mirror Girl - how would alter-ego know about the bodies if she didn't kill em herself or assist in the burial? I think she's frickin bi-polar girl there...

Cheerleader: I think "Dad" pulled the stick from her head. QB boy is gonna really regret that...

Flyboy: Lots of drama, but watching him throw himself into the dirt was cool. Flyboy politician is a slease...

Cop & Guy in bar: I think guy in bar is probaby Cyler, alternatively he's nobody and bartender slipped cop a rufie.

Little girl: Cyler wants no witnesses maybe? Or she's due to mutate...

[shadowgate]

Little girl: Cyler wants no witnesses maybe? Or she's due to mutate...

Yeah, I am guessing he doesn't want anyone to know what he looks like.

[EricStratton]

I was thinking it wasn't regeneration but he stopped the bullets enough telekenetically to be able to get up. And I also thought the freezing wasn't an additional power just something else he can do telekenetically. And he could make it look like he could fly by telekenetically picking himself up. I'm not sure he's absorbing anything just yet.

I also figured it was the foster dad that was Cyler.

The cheerleader chick is going ot have a hard time explaining how she's not dead. I guess her secret is going to come out sooner rather than later.

[Raveneye]

Wasn't it a Nissan?

Exactly.

[Raveneye]

Pretty sure the black guy in the bar is not Syler, as the preview showed him and glasses dad working together on abducting the cop. Pretty sure glasses dad is not Syler either at this point, as he'd need to be in too many places at once.

I think glasses dad and the black guy work for the government or a powerful corporate entity. If the black guy does turn out to be the stripper's husband, it would explain how he was able to dissapear after being convicted of murder. If he's got psychic powers he may have also done something to the stripper's mind to try and supress her alter ego.

[EricStratton]

If the black guy does turn out to be the stripper's husband, it would explain how he was able to dissapear after being convicted of murder. If he's got psychic powers he may have also done something to the stripper's mind to try and supress her alter ego.
Or he caused it by ripping her mind asunder.

[Aananla]

I didn't get a good look at the autopsy room, but my first thought was that the boyfriend was doing a little experimenting, not a govt. facility or the evil step dad, or Syler.

[Greebo]

I didn't get a good look at the autopsy room, but my first thought was that the boyfriend was doing a little experimenting, not a govt. facility or the evil step dad, or Syler.
Cause high school football quarterbacks typically have the desire to flay their would-be date rape victims after accidentally killing them??

Looked like a morgue to me except that morgues usually aren't that dark exept for tv and movies.

[Aananla]

Cause high school football quarterbacks typically have the desire to flay their would-be date rape victims after accidentally killing them??

Looked like a morgue to me except that morgues usually aren't that dark exept for tv and movies.
You might be right, though if he's capable of rape, he may be capable of cheerleader flaying as well.

[SparrowHawk]

I agree that syler doesnt have to steal/copy powers. TK could do everything that we have seen so far. (except the freezing).

If he was coping all of the powers then why not use the timestop move to do what he wants. Unless he is only copying the ones that are in NY already.

Is syler trying to kill the others like him? If so then I doubt he is "DAD" otherwise he would kill his daughter (unless he realizes that he cant actually kill her ;)

[Hermie]

Thought the saving the little girl from the truck was great - they caused the accident and then saved her lol.

That is exactly what I thought, it made me laugh. I also liked the scene where the boy in the cape watched the guy faceplant at the playground.

I missed the post to the head shot. How did it happen? She was fine when I left the room but the next time I saw her she was in the morgue.

Is it just me or does that female cop look like Ricky Schroder (he goes by Rick now)

[Greebo]

I missed the post to the head shot. How did it happen? She was fine when I left the room but the next time I saw her she was in the morgue.
Cheerleader and QB are at party. Cheerleader and QB leave party to take a walk watched with concerned look by total stranger (afaik).

Cheerleader and QB are later on bleachers outside making out. QB wants more action that Cheerleder wants to give. QB gets rough, tries to rape her. She gets up, he throws her against chain link fence. She bounces, falls, lands on piece of wood.

She needs an adamantium skeleton or she's gonna keep getting temporarily dead...

[DirkDarkBlade]

i guess the product placement wasn't quite as good as they thought, then :oIt was a new Nissan Versa.

[Sweeman]

I just now found time to start watching this show today. I watched episodes one through three and I like the story so far. I think the QB and the adoptive father may be connected somehow. The way he asked about him while taking cheerleader to school somehow seemed suspicious.

I really hope they flesh out the character of the stripper's son. I bet he has the potential to help the professor's son figure out his father's if the ever manage to meet up. (Go-go abiguous pronouns.)

[Lycos]

I just now found time to start watching this show today. I watched episodes one through three and I like the story so far. I think the QB and the adoptive father may be connected somehow. The way he asked about him while taking cheerleader to school somehow seemed suspicious.

I really hope they flesh out the character of the stripper's son. I bet he has the potential to help the professor's son figure out his father's if the ever manage to meet up. (Go-go abiguous pronouns.)

Where did you see episode 2?

[Ganlron]

Where did you see episode 2?

i think ye can watch em on nbc.com

[Lycos]

i think ye can watch em on nbc.com

I found this week's episode on the NBC site, but not the past 2 episodes.

[Sweeman]

I've been Tivo'ing each episode but only just now got around to watching them.

[shadowgate]

So no one is discussing this episode yet?!?! I thought it was very good. Like the ending with Hiro. They are doing it very much like reading a comic, which might put some people off but I find cool. SAVE THE CHEERLEADER! :) So I still can't decide if the adoptive father is really bad or not. Sure he has kidnapped people and followed people but he hasn't physically hurt or killed anyone yet. Some of the heroes have done more than that. The big question is why the cheerleader is so important. My guess is that she is the only one that can survive getting close/into whatever the bomb is. Plus that is gets them all together.

[Sweeman]

The big question is why the cheerleader is so important. My guess is that she is the only one that can survive getting close/into whatever the bomb is. Plus that is gets them all together.

That or she may be in the most danger, what with her proximity to G-man stepdad.

[Raveneye]

Great episode this week. Loved the Ninja-Hiro at the end, too funny. When he and his buddy fleeced the casino I was laughing. They didn't run into Niki yet though.

Speaking of which...yowza! When she goes all evil and kicks that thugs ass, then strips down for the brother, I'm in love!!! :smile:

Looks like G-dad and his mental power sidekick are doing some kind of catch and release program. He told mental guy to "dig deep, then wipe him clean" which would seem to indicate that they are only studying or maybe somehow tagging the heroes, not killing them. I'm willing to bet the danger his cheerleader daughter is in is NOT from him, but from either Syler or someone else.

So we finally got confirmation that Peter's power is to mimic other powers he comes into contact with. That should be interesting now that he's come in contact with Hiro. It will also be fun to see him mimic Claire and Niki too. Apparently though the ability only lasts a short time, after which he goes back to Peter Parker.

Hiro and his buddy still steal the show. What an awesome actor!

[shadowgate]

Great episode this week. Loved the Ninja-Hiro at the end, too funny. When he and his buddy fleeced the casino I was laughing. They didn't run into Niki yet though.

Speaking of which...yowza! When she goes all evil and kicks that thugs ass, then strips down for the brother, I'm in love!!! :smile:

Looks like G-dad and his mental power sidekick are doing some kind of catch and release program. He told mental guy to "dig deep, then wipe him clean" which would seem to indicate that they are only studying or maybe somehow tagging the heroes, not killing them. I'm willing to bet the danger his cheerleader daughter is in is NOT from him, but from either Syler or someone else.

So we finally got confirmation that Peter's power is to mimic other powers he comes into contact with. That should be interesting now that he's come in contact with Hiro. It will also be fun to see him mimic Claire and Niki too. Apparently though the ability only lasts a short time, after which he goes back to Peter Parker.

Hiro and his buddy still steal the show. What an awesome actor!

Agreed, Hiro is the best! :) My questions is did Peter not get effected by Hiro's time freeze due to his mimic ablity or due to Hiro wanting him to be the only one not frozen? Not a huge deal but it would mean that Peter could be immune to many others powers in a way. Also, I wonder how many powers he can mimic at the same time?

[SparrowHawk]

1) Why did Hiro come back in time to the brother, not to see himself or one of the others or his buddy.

2) what is with the little sf kind of symbol everywhere. It was on Niki (not sure if its there when she is not the evil twin) it flashed by on the encoded computer program from dad suresh. I think it was on a banner at the cheerleader school.. not sure where else.

3) does niki really have a power or is she just a split personality.

4) how close does the brother need to be to copy a power. If the range expands he could do everything. Plus since syler seem to be able to do multiple powers maybe he is the brother from the future (after he goes nuts) that copied hiro's power to come back and stop everything. The family did have some psycho issues (remember dad).

5) since DAD only said his friend was special too, does that mean that he doesnt have any powers for sure? Kinda rules him out as syler.

Maybe the issue with the future isnt just the bomb. its possible that a disease gets released and that the cheerleaders power can create a cure. We havent seen any indication of illness/immunity though. Of course the next question is save the cheerleader from what. Since it seems that as long as you can pull the pieces from her brain she cant be destroyed.

[Draknor]

Hiro getting punched in the face right after his buddy boastfully proclaimed his powers: priceless. It made me laugh out loud.

Stripper kicking some ass where I could see it. Finally. I was going to post today that the show needed some comic book style ass kicking. I'm hoping for a little more bad guy punching goodness in the future. I'm still waiting to find out that she actually has a super power, but it isn't looking good at this point.

Cheerleader driving into a wall...she's a bit psycho it seems. I'll grant her that she was nearly raped and killed, though, so that mitigates things a bit. I can't say I wouldn't do the same thing in her place.

Peter Parker wannabe...meh. I was enjoying the fact that everyone else isn't a squeaky clean hero type. I'm also not convinced that he was absorbing future Hiro's power, though, rather it might be that Hiro was making sure he wasn't affected.

I loved the fact that Hiro and his buddy were cheating in a casino. Not too brightly, I might add, but still. Finally. Someone who will test his newfound powers for personal gain before seriously evaluating that it's wrong to do so.

Hiro from the future, looking old and tired and wearing dark clothing, reminiscent of yet another dark X-Men or Star Trek future crossover...BOO! Boo boo boo! Pick something original already guys. We've seen it a million times already. It's old, and it's tired.

Still not a huge fan of the heroin addicted precog, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and see where they take it.

Overall - thumbs up!:lowcool:

[Caranthir]

Well, I don't think the cheerleader was planning to drive into the wall until the asswipe QB indicated that he's a likely repeat offender.

I figure that, as has been stated before, the cheerleader is necessary to get close to the bomb to stop it. I figure the brothers are a delivery system for getting there (assuming they both can fly). The painter and Hiro appear to be a means by which the information needed by the heroes is delivered to them. Can't figure out how Schizo Chick and the telepathic cop fit in yet though.

[Greebo]

Well, I don't think the cheerleader was planning to drive into the wall until the asswipe QB indicated that he's a likely repeat offender.
Disagree...she asked to drive - she had it in mind. I think she made up her mind when she realised he would keep doing it - until then she wasn't sure.

Hiro goes bad-ass. Cool!

Loved the spec-effects on the painter. Neat way of watching the future...

[Lycos]

Yeah, I just watched it off the net. Very cool episode! I loved it all! :D

[EricStratton]

Finally got to watch this. Awesome. Loved the ending. I like how Hiro can speak perfect english in the future.

I think little brother coming back as Syler is a good theory as to who he is.

[attriel]

so, i went to get this from itunes ... and the premier isn't available ... apparently the company who makes the insinkerator is in a lawsuit against nbc over the poor image of their product :o

how important would the premier be to watching the series?

--attriel

(why don't they just blur off the brandname ...)

[shadowgate]

They are showing the first three episodes tonight (Sunday).

[Kiir]

They are showing the first three episodes tonight (Sunday).
Unfortunatly that doesn't help us. We don't have cable and our broadcast sucks as well. So any tv we see is either bought off itunes or rented off netflicks.

Plus they aren't showing the premier. Since NBC is apparently not legally allowed to show it right now.

[SparrowHawk]

Ok, well I looked at the video clip from nbc.com that shows syler again. (I posted pictures in the gallery).

1) definitely white. SO that rules out bad daddys buddy.
2) Definitely "stood" up like a board.. i.e. TK lifted vs just standing up.
3) I enhanced the picture from the video with photoshop (ok Im a geek):lowlol:
and I dont see any evidence of glasses (rules out daddy).

I am not sure that he looks like the younger brother. (Others can chime in on this). Maybe a bit more like the older brother. But it could go either way.
This is probably a new character...

[Draknor]

After this week, I have no ideas about Syler anymore.

It seems like Peter Parker is definitely a power-absorber. And his brother can fly faster than the speed of sound.

I'm no longer convinced step dad is evil - he's having memories erased or edited, but not killing anyone. It's almost as if he's trying to protect someone or something.

Stripper's ex-husband also would appear to have phasing powers like Shadowcat from X-Men?

[Greebo]

He's not step-dad, he's adoptive dad. More sylables sounds either more heroic or more eeeeviillll. I dunno about him either - he's back to on the fence for me.

Syler seems to have taken a stand-by for a few episodes. Maybe next week...

Mind cop seems to be having real trouble controlling his power - he'll end up in prison again or something...

I'm still not impressed with schitzo-stripper, but if Mika (the boy) is the child of a super (the walk phaser dude) and a schitzoid he's probably got talent that hasn't developed yet.

[Quervo]

Schitzo-stripper has a super strong alter ego... The question is will she be able to control it. And I think a 12 year old genius is a power until its self.

[Raveneye]

So for a guy who had to bring his best friend along to translate for him, Hiro suddenly knows a whole lot of English in the diner talking to flying congressman. Speaking of which, how does that guy breathe when flying faster than Mach 1 in his PJs?

Nit picking aside, cool episode. Loved the focus on Hiro and his pal. Was dissapointed that the long awaited meeting with Niki was so anti-climatic. If there was any doubt that Peter Parker's ability is to mimic others, this dispelled it. Very handy power to have, as surrounded by a "super group" he could pretty much do anything.

[Greebo]

So for a guy who had to bring his best friend along to translate for him, Hiro suddenly knows a whole lot of English in the diner talking to flying congressman. Speaking of which, how does that guy breathe when flying faster than Mach 1 in his PJs?
He's Japanese and he's been in the USA. Don't you know all Japanese learn anything they're immersed in within mere hours?

As for congressman-to-be Petrelli, of course he can breathe at mach 1 - all flying super heroes generate a personal aerodynamic field that adjusts for airflow around the body to allow easy breathing.

[SparrowHawk]

I think that the painting is showing syler killing the cheerleader somehow. (I need to review the painting again to see if the man had a baseball cap on). So the setup is going to be syler vs the gang.

Copy boy must get slashed pretty good sometime for hiro to comment that he looks different without the scar.

Why does the painter have to be high to get his power to work but copy boy doesnt? Or is it just a mental thing for the painter.

What are the odds of two "special" people hooking up without knowing it (nikki and the bad husband). And considering the preview scene of the husband slamming into a wall 5 feet up, I guess she must have super strength.
Seems pretty much like a "sexy" hulk rip off.

[Greebo]

I think that the painting is showing syler killing the cheerleader somehow. (I need to review the painting again to see if the man had a baseball cap on). So the setup is going to be syler vs the gang. Agreed - it looked like chearleader in the completed painting was missing her brain like the other corpses we've seen.

I expect the heroin is just a psychological barrier - he did it while high, so he thinks he needs to do it while high...

[SparrowHawk]

Ahhh.. no brain.. not regeneration.... That must be how to kill her... Unless her brain can regen the whole body again.

Have we seen her regrow a chopped off piece? I dont think so.....

[Greebo]

Ahhh.. no brain.. not regeneration.... That must be how to kill her... Unless her brain can regen the whole body again.

Have we seen her regrow a chopped off piece? I dont think so.....
Well her hand was pretty mangled from the garbage disposal...

But we've seen that when her brain is damaged, she doens't regenerate, at least while something's in the way. Presumably if she can't regenerate for long enough, she stays dead...

[GravenStone]

Ahhh.. no brain.. not regeneration.... That must be how to kill her... Unless her brain can regen the whole body again.

Have we seen her regrow a chopped off piece? I dont think so.....

So.. the cheerleader is your basic zombie? :tongue:

[Draknor]

Seems pretty much like a "sexy" hulk rip off.

You say this as if it's a bad thing.;)

[Greebo]

You say this as if it's a bad thing.;)
Ok, it looks more like it wasn't sexy hulk, but psychopathic hulk. Alterego had super powers but no morals. And now its starting to look like Dad (DL ?) isn't the bad guy he was made out to be at all...

So --- is she dead? I think she is. Reaching into her chest was freaking cool, minor geekout trip over that one! Pity - Niky was a good girl, but her alter ego was clearly a bad guy so... kind of a hulk/phoenix merge there...

So Cheerleader's bioparents clearly weren't - and she's gonna figure that out thanks to mom. "ADOPTIVE DAD" still hasn't convinced me that he's BAD - just curious. Its looking to me like anyone with the SciFi logo is working with or for him, or been examined by him, or something.

Isaac and Peter PITRELLI (not parker, who said that?? ;) ) were ... uneventful.

Hiro having the classic crisis of faith in 30 seconds...gotta enjoy that... at least they're finally leaving las vegas.

No news on the cop... In fact most of the show was Nikki but I guess it had to be since she's dead and DL is now taking over in her part...

Good episode!

[Caranthir]

I don't think she's dead. If she were, what was the point of her whole storyarc?

I kind of wish she was though. She's the only character that I don't really find interesting at all.

[EricStratton]

I'm w/ Car on both counts. I hope that her character speeds up some. I think the problem w/ her character is that the directors are trying to show her from her point of view. She blacks out, all the fun stuff happens which she (and we) don't get to see, she's back. But hopefully they'll change that.

In all I was disappointed w/ the episode. First b/c TiVo didn't get all of the ending for some reason. We'll have to check it out online (hope we can fast fwd thru it). Second, the episode was just kinda slow. I know they are trying to hash out the stripper and that's fine, it was just slow.

I think Adoptive Dad is bad. Why lie to your daughter like that? I think that's low. I hope she figures it out soon.

[Greebo]

I'm w/ Car on both counts.
I think she's dead. If she's not, then ONE of her should be dead at least.

In all I was disappointed w/ the episode. First b/c TiVo didn't get all of the ending for some reason. We'll have to check it out online (hope we can fast fwd thru it). Second, the episode was just kinda slow. I know they are trying to hash out the stripper and that's fine, it was just slow.

They frickin ran it an extra 2 minutes is why TiVo didn't get it. I got it because I ended up watching it live (starting late), so I quick recorded the first few minutes of the next show.

And then I went into the season pass manager and told it to start recording 1 minute early and 5 minutes long. I hate it when the channels play time games like that, but they do it on purpose to stop you from not watching the commercials. Fortunately, TiVo beats em if you know how. :)

I think Adoptive Dad is bad. Why lie to your daughter like that? I think that's low. I hope she figures it out soon.
He is protective of her, clearly - maybe he thinks hes protecting her by giving her a dead end to stop her questions from getting her too close to a dangerous truth.

We haven't seen him do anything "Bad". He hasn't killed anyone, he let the cop go, and the worst he's done is brain-wipe a serial rapist. I just can't make up my mind on him yet.

[Caranthir]

Well, you know Stripper Chick is eventually gonna integrate both parts of her personality, allowing her access to her abilities while allowing her good side to rein in the destructive tendencies.

[Greebo]

Well, you know Stripper Chick is eventually gonna integrate both parts of her personality, allowing her access to her abilities while allowing her good side to rein in the destructive tendencies.
Not if she's a corpse. :)

[EricStratton]

They frickin ran it an extra 2 minutes is why TiVo didn't get it. I got it because I ended up watching it live (starting late), so I quick recorded the first few minutes of the next show. Ahhh. Bastards!

We haven't seen him do anything "Bad". He hasn't killed anyone, he let the cop go, and the worst he's done is brain-wipe a serial rapist. I just can't make up my mind on him yet. True true. He did mind-wipe the cop too tho. At least for a couple days worth of memories. I dunno. He seems bad. Maybe that's the point tho. The ol' Kansas City shuffle.

[SparrowHawk]

I just dont see how the Evil Niki is ever going to work with the rest of the people to "save the cheerleader". Basically she is on par with syler at this point for body count and looks like a villian. (steals 2mil, frames hubby for murder, dismembers anyone that gets in her way). Maybe the near death experience will integrate her personalities. The question is wether the split personality is a function of the power or not. I assume that she is not dead, and maybe this is just the hook to get her to NY. (she has to chase after hubby and son).

Pitrelli/Parker was more a comment on his personality (peter parker like) then his name. But he seems like the only one that is figuring out what is going on. PS. did any notice that one of the painting shows Peter throwing school locker doors (looks like TK) so that means he is probably around/copying sylers power to save the cheerleader at somepoint.

The dad was still described as the "FACE of EVIL" in the opening synopsis though, so unless they are missleading things I dont think he is a good guy. The question now, is how long has dad known about this, and is it possible that the "chromosome" issue that the cheerleader had was actually a cover for him creating the power, or just recognizing it or ???

I thought that the indian guys neighbor was taking all the "super people" stuff way to easily. So now we know she is a mole for the dad. I wonder what she is going to do with the painter? He may be the next one to visit the exam table.


Is it me or am I really over analyzing this show? :*

[Greebo]

The dad was still described as the "FACE of EVIL" in the opening synopsis though, so unless they are missleading things I dont think he is a good guy. The question now, is how long has dad known about this, and is it possible that the "chromosome" issue that the cheerleader had was actually a cover for him creating the power, or just recognizing it or ???
Opening monologue calling him the face of evil could be simple misdirection...

Hmm, thoughts on the "chromosome" issue --- mom copped out with "You had a cough" - maybe mom's had a little memory wiping done to her too?

[Lycos]

Niki is definitely the perfect example of power without control. I'm in the "Niki is not dead" camp. I think she's just out for a little bit. DL still loves her, so I'm not sure he's the one who could do that. DL is not a good guy either, so I'm not on his band wagon either. The kid is going to be a catalyst somewhere in that story.

Adoptive Dad is still in the grey area for me as well. But the one good thing that is in his favor is that it doesn't look, from the drawing, like he will be the one to kill the Cheerleader if that ever happens.

I loved last night's episode. I loved Hiro's reaction when he heard he had a sword in the future! :D

[Raveneye]

Good episode last night. Niki isn't dead, but I bet the personalities swap places and "nice" Niki gets pushed under this time (hence the uncovering of the symbol on the painting). She'll chase DL and Micah to NYC and run into the other Heroes who will try to "fix" her, likely with the help of her son. It's interesting that they put the "bad guy" twist on to the sympathetic mom character.

Glasses dad isn't evil, but he's taking a lot of precautions to protect Claire from her true identity. I liked that he was finally surprised by something last night when talking to Friendly Girl (who I knew was a total plant from day one). I wonder how many other people he's got working for him, and how many of them have powers?

Hiro and Ando rock the house. They make every show twice as enjoyable. I'm going to be really ticked off if they kill off Ando at some point.

[Lycos]

Hiro and Ando rock the house. They make every show twice as enjoyable. I'm going to be really ticked off if they kill off Ando at some point.

You know, the idea that Ando will get killed hits me as more than certain for some reason. It could be one of those character turning points that are so famous in the comics. :D

[shadowgate]

Good episode last night. Niki isn't dead, but I bet the personalities swap places and "nice" Niki gets pushed under this time (hence the uncovering of the symbol on the painting). She'll chase DL and Micah to NYC and run into the other Heroes who will try to "fix" her, likely with the help of her son. It's interesting that they put the "bad guy" twist on to the sympathetic mom character.

Glasses dad isn't evil, but he's taking a lot of precautions to protect Claire from her true identity. I liked that he was finally surprised by something last night when talking to Friendly Girl (who I knew was a total plant from day one). I wonder how many other people he's got working for him, and how many of them have powers?

Hiro and Ando rock the house. They make every show twice as enjoyable. I'm going to be really ticked off if they kill off Ando at some point.

All that fairly must sums up my ideas on the episode too. Niki's son knows something about his mother actions and what she is doing. Claire's "dad" is still trying to figure out all the pieces of whats going on. Whoever he is and works for it is some kind of government agency.

Hiro and Ando are the best part of the show without a doubt. I know there is a plan for Niki but I could have done without her in the series...

[Draknor]

I hope they save the cheerleader pretty soon. Because the whispered "save the cheerleader and save the world" thing is really getting on my nerves.:D

[Caranthir]

I hope they save the cheerleader pretty soon. Because the whispered "save the cheerleader and save the world" thing is really getting on my nerves.:D

Maybe she'll graduate soon and we'll move on to "save the sorority sister. save the world."

[Greebo]

Ok, I stand corrected.

It looked to me like DL reached into Niki's chest/heart. Now I see that he reached THROUGH her chest to choke her - so she just passed out, not died.

[attriel]

i wish itunes would get this episode up already :o 95% of the time, they have episodes of things up next day :(

[EricStratton]

i wish itunes would get this episode up already :o 95% of the time, they have episodes of things up next day :(
I thought NBC.com streamed them? Or was that another show/network?

[Draknor]

Ok, I stand corrected.

It looked to me like DL reached into Niki's chest/heart. Now I see that he reached THROUGH her chest to choke her - so she just passed out, not died.

I have to admit I had similar thoughts whether she was dead or not. But I think she might be a villain from now on.

[Lycos]

I hope they save the cheerleader pretty soon. Because the whispered "save the cheerleader and save the world" thing is really getting on my nerves.:D

Last night, Mikayla was dressed as a cheerleader. I wanted to crack some jokes about the whole "save the cheerleader and save the world" thing. But there was no one around who I could share that with! :|

[Raveneye]

I have to admit I had similar thoughts whether she was dead or not. But I think she might be a villain from now on.

I hope they give her a good costume, tight, black and skimpy. She's magically delicious. :D

[Aananla]

I thought NBC.com streamed them? Or was that another show/network?
Yep. NBC.com streams it.

[Caranthir]

I hope they give her a good costume, tight, black and skimpy. She's magically delicious. :D

Especially in her whipped cream bikini in Varsity Blues.

[SparrowHawk]

Ok, I stand corrected.

It looked to me like DL reached into Niki's chest/heart. Now I see that he reached THROUGH her chest to choke her - so she just passed out, not died.


I dont think so...

Left hand in the chest, right hand at the throat. I doubt that you could choke her if she is that strong. She acted like a grab the heart thing.


EDIT: Oops... I guess I am wrong. You are right. THe hand goes through the body to choke. Still think there is something going on with the heart though.

EDIT AGAIN: also since she was still concious when she hits the floor (passes out a couple of seconds later) it doesnt seem like a choking issue.

But even still I dont think she is dead. Too much investment to kill her this early in the show.

[Caranthir]

One question: at the card game, after Ando pulls Hiro into the bathroom, I'm pretty sure I heard someone say, "Who invited her?" Then the fit hits the shan.

Was the group at the card game slaughtered by Nikki? I apologize if this was obvious or I'm wrong. I was trying to focus on two things at the time.

[Draknor]

It was my impression that the poker game was ruined by Nikki, yes.

[Caylor]

Oops! her bad. :(

[Asharad]

Yeah, it was the poker game that she and DL later went to and found everyone dead at.

This show is growing on me.

I too think they are going to have to reconcille the two parts of Nikki's personality. I actually do find her story interesting, and not just because she's hotter than a forrest fire.

I think Evil Dad may not be bad and may be a Nick Fury kind of character. Not really bad (although not squeky clean either). Sort of a grey hat. I suspect he works for the government agerncy that rides herd on these things. We haven't really seen him do TOO much that is really evil, have we? I mean they caught the cop but only made him forget the catching part.

[Greebo]

I also still think Adoptive Dad isn't really evil - more a kind of "man in black". I also think the news that his daughter, whom he genuinely cares about, might be in danger is going to make him end up being a benefit to the others.

[SparrowHawk]

I dont know about Dad. Why bring in fake parents to talk to his daughter? Unless the real parents have something that he doesnt want her to know about. Or maybe something about her birth is odd (test tube experiment?)

He obviously has significant resources (hidden lab, secret agents). Probably gov agency, but why not tell the cop what is going on?

Niki killed the poker group because one of the gangsters knew that she was the one to setup hubby. Since he found out about it anyway she basically slaughtered them for no reason. How does evil niki end up being a hero?

[Greebo]

I dont know about Dad. Why bring in fake parents to talk to his daughter? Unless the real parents have something that he doesnt want her to know about. Or maybe something about her birth is odd (test tube experiment?)
I think Adoptive Dad is mainly trying to protect Claire and satisfy her questions so she'll stop digging, but Mom just undermined that attempt.

Niki killed the poker group because one of the gangsters knew that she was the one to setup hubby. Since he found out about it anyway she basically slaughtered them for no reason. How does evil niki end up being a hero?
Ikin is evil. Niki is good. Internal conflict with much drama? ;)

[SparrowHawk]

But why does he want her to stop digging? Unless there is something there that he doesnt want her to find....

[attriel]

But why does he want her to stop digging? Unless there is something there that he doesnt want her to find....

may just be an attempt to keep her off the radar so sylar won't find her and eat out her brains :o

[Lycos]

may just be an attempt to keep her off the radar so sylar won't find her and eat out her brains :o

Or the conversation might go like this...

So, where are my parents?

They're dead.

How did they die?

They got their brains sucked out by a guy who has super powers and is bent on killing anyone else with super powers, like you.

That would be a calming conversation. :lowlol:

[EricStratton]

Or the conversation might go like this...

So, where are my parents?

They're dead.

How did they die?

They got their brains sucked out by a guy who has super powers and is bent on killing anyone else with super powers, like you.

That would be a calming conversation. :lowlol:
Is this like not telling my kids about drugs, sex, or drinking so they'll hopefully never find out about them and will never do any of them? :lowlol:

[Lycos]

Is this like not telling my kids about drugs, sex, or drinking so they'll hopefully never find out about them and will never do any of them? :lowlol:

Yeah, something like that, and then you tack on the "And if I find out you've been doing any of them. I'll kick your arse!"

That gives it the special umph! Then as the parent, you begin to pray that it works. :D

[shadowgate]

No comments on the latest episode? I know it wasn't very exciting but I still thought it was good. Is Nuke boy who will eventually blow up NY if not stopped? Niki's kid is "special"... figured. DL and Hiro meet up. Wondering what the FBI's deal is. There is something up with her. Looks like horned rimmed guy may have more details shown about him next episode.

[Lycos]

At least with this last episode, we now know the kid does have powers of his own. He seems to be able to work techno with his mind. That would be very useful, and he seemed to have insight into who Niki was at that particular time with very little clues other than audio clues. So, is it a son just sensitive to his Mother or something more?

Nuke boy should be interesting. An interesting character for an interesting power. Unstable nuke boy = explosion? Who knows.

Is there something special about these shows that makes them particularly slow IMO? Does anyone else notice it? Observations?

[Greebo]

Prediction: Cyler eats NukeBoy's brain, goes to NYC, loses control, blows up city/world.

[Caylor]

I think we are conditioned to fast paced story lines. Where this seems more hero comic book pace which is appropriate. They are also still doing character development still, so it may pick up the pace after a few more episodes.

[Caranthir]

I'm too lazy to go back through and see if this theory has already been proposed, but does anyone think Syler may be a future version of Peter?

[Quervo]

I dont think so... From Super Hiro on the subway... "You look different without your scar." (he was speaking to Peter and it wasnt hostile)

[Caranthir]

I dont think so... From Super Hiro on the subway... "You look different without your scar." (he was speaking to Peter and it wasnt hostile)

True, but what if Peter borrowed Hiro's powers at some point after Hiro with Sword and Soulpatch came back to see Peter?

[Greebo]

One thing that pissed me off - the cop passed out in a convenient store with a gun in his hand last time we saw him but the next time we see him, he's fine and dandy at home.

Writers lose major points for glossing that over...should have been SOME resolution

[Greebo]

No I don't think Cyler = Peter. Cyler is already around and causing trouble. We don't know of any other time travellers, and apparently Hornrim doesn't either, implying that Hiro is unique, and he's alive in the future, so his brain wasn't eaten by future peter cyler. Cyler is his own bad guy.

I mean, c'mon, these are NBC writers...they're not that complex...

[Caranthir]

Ok, here's my argument: it's pretty obvious that Peter's powers are more along the lines of "borrowing" powers from others. But it seems to be only temporary. Maybe sometime in the future something happens to him to skew his outlook, and at the same time he discovers that he can gain the abilities permanently by harvesting the brains of the heroes. But in the future, the heroes know his change in motivations and are ready for him. So he swipes Hiro's powers, uses them to travel back into the past, and begins harvesting brains from unsuspecting heroes in our time.

[Greebo]

We've heard cylers voice on the phone recording, which sounded nothing like Peter.

No, I don't buy it...

[Caranthir]

We've heard cylers voice on the phone recording, which sounded nothing like Peter.

No, I don't buy it...

Yeah, but you also thought Nikki was dead... :lowrazz:

Voice evidence isn't necessarily strong enough to rule out the possibility (woo, I'm thinking like a forensic scientist! :mrgreen:)

[Greebo]

Only until I re-watched the episode. When I first saw it, it looked to me like his hand was going into her chest/heart not her throat.

And you're not thinking like a forensic scientist, you're inventing a wild theory with no supporting proof and trying to defend it.

I will admit that your idea is a direction the writers COULD take, but name one - just ONE clue that suggests any connection between Peter and Cyler?

If they writers go that direction, they need to provide some kind of linkage between the two before ever unvieling such an idea, otherwise it will simply come across as plain bad writing. (See: Chamber of Secrets, Ending - ie: Gryffindor's sword and Phoenixes showing up without any storyline establishment of such a possibility...)

[Caranthir]

I'll admit, all I can give you is circumstantial evidence at the moment to support my theory (which isn't originally mine; I read the basic premise on CHUD.com and have since fleshed it out with logical elements that support it). And I have yet to see anything which disproves it.

Plus, we're not even halfway through the season, so they've barely had time to establish either of them as a character, let alone start dropping more significant hints.

EDIT: {In elaborating my theory earlier, I forgot to add that they've used the tried and true "don't show the villain's face". This is often done because we would recognize them if they did.}

[attriel]

I'll admit, all I can give you is circumstantial evidence at the moment to support my theory (which isn't originally mine; I read the basic premise on CHUD.com and have since fleshed it out with logical elements that support it). And I have yet to see anything which disproves it.

well, given that logic, we haven't seen anything that refutes that micah doesn't build a back-in-timer and eat-brains-for-power machine and it turns out that HE'S cyler

lack of refuting evidence does not constitute supporting evidence ;)

[Caranthir]

well, given that logic, we haven't seen anything that refutes that micah doesn't build a back-in-timer and eat-brains-for-power machine and it turns out that HE'S cyler

lack of refuting evidence does not constitute supporting evidence ;)

Fair enough. It's just a theory. I actually kind of like the idea and hope that's the direction they're going.

[Draknor]

It's getting boring. Not enough ass-kicking.:D

[Caylor]

It's getting boring. Not enough ass-kicking.:D

Adrenaline Junkie!


(heeheehee)

[SparrowHawk]

yeah, I thought that syler could = future peter.. The main reason was that syler is the only one besides peter that we know of doing multiple powers. (or at least the possability of multiple powers).

At this point I think it is less likely.

1) we know that syler is the threat to the cheerleader (from the painting)
2) Hiro warns peter to save the cheerleader from the future, where they must know more about syler (why would he warn the guy that will turn into syler).
3) The picture of syler that I put in the gallery doesnt look like peter (though it could be if you imagine real hard).
4) The one painting of peter seems to have him TKing locker doors, so unless peter is copying a power that future peter perminantly absorbs.... (ugh) He must be fighting syler and I find that hard to believe if he confronts syler and sees himself he would still be fighting.

The last episode was slow, they are slowly converging all the characters, but I cant tell if it is going to be in NY or Vegas (now that peter is going to have to go there to get the painting, and it seems to be taking hiro forever to get out of there).

[Draknor]

So, Syler is a moron? Why in hell would he go after someone in the middle of the day in a busy public place?

If they don't save the cheerleader next week as promised, the blood curdling scream you hear will be me.

[shadowgate]

Heya! I thought it was a good episode! Yes, we still don't know for sure that HRG dad is not so bad (could have been playing the artist the sympathy card) but I am fairly sure he isn't "that" bad.... So who the hell is Syler? He has brown hair, is slight, he has a brokern watch, and without a doubt has at least has TK powers. Next question is who is the indian kid? I think I missed something about him.

[Greebo]

So, Syler is a moron? Why in hell would he go after someone in the middle of the day in a busy public place?
Evidently, because he can.

If they don't save the cheerleader next week as promised, the blood curdling scream you hear will be me.
Agreed!

Good episode, I thought. Had a lot more interest on my part than last weeks Scitzo Special and the Wonder Telecom Boy.

Did you catch the photo at the end? Hiro overshot eh?? I was laughing! :) :pepis:

And Adoptive Dad is now clearly in the Neutral to Good camp in my book.

[Greebo]

Heya! I thought it was a good episode! Yes, we still don't know for sure that HRG dad is not so bad (could have been playing the artist the sympathy card) but I am fairly sure he isn't "that" bad.... So who the hell is Syler? He has brown hair, is slight, he has a brokern watch, and without a doubt has at least has TK powers. Next question is who is the indian kid? I think I missed something about him.
Her.

It's Mohinder's dead sister. She appeared to him in dreams.

This suggests that either:
1) He has some of her talent as well, and its starting to wake up or
2) When she died part of her passed into him and she can communicate with him in his dreams.

[Caranthir]

I'm pretty sure that kid was a boy. And it would appear from the folder that Mohinder pulled out of the locked area at the end that his name is (not sure if I remember it completely correctly) Sanjog Iyer.

Also, provided IMDB is correct, I'm wrong about Sylar.

[Greebo]

I'm pretty sure that kid was a boy. And it would appear from the folder that Mohinder pulled out of the locked area at the end that his name is (not sure if I remember it completely correctly) Sanjog Iyer.

Also, provided IMDB is correct, I'm wrong about Sylar.
Hmm, I missed that then. I'll pay more attention tonight - the talk about his sister made me think that was her.

[Ganlron]

yeah, I thought that syler could = future peter.. The main reason was that syler is the only one besides peter that we know of doing multiple powers. (or at least the possability of multiple powers).


alot of the things syler is doing could still be a form of TK...jes depends on how fine a control he has. anne mccaffrey's to ride pegasus books had a micro-kinetic that could actually alter the dna of her children and suppress their abilities somewhat, she jes had no conscious control over it.

if syler has a conscious control over tk to that level then he could do the freezing thing pretty easy. when the psychic cop shot at him he could of stopped the bullet's, the reason he got knocked down is b/c he didn't stop em quite fast enough or didn't compensate for the force of em. when he 'flew' away it could of jes been a tk-powered jump.

as fer why he's doing the killing. we know he was working with/for mohinders dad at some point. maybe he was collecting all those dna samples and found he liked hurting people then he escalated to killing them. the brains might jes be his trophies.

[shadowgate]

alot of the things syler is doing could still be a form of TK...jes depends on how fine a control he has. anne mccaffrey's to ride pegasus books had a micro-kinetic that could actually alter the dna of her children and suppress their abilities somewhat, she jes had no conscious control over it.

if syler has a conscious control over tk to that level then he could do the freezing thing pretty easy. when the psychic cop shot at him he could of stopped the bullet's, the reason he got knocked down is b/c he didn't stop em quite fast enough or didn't compensate for the force of em. when he 'flew' away it could of jes been a tk-powered jump.

as fer why he's doing the killing. we know he was working with/for mohinders dad at some point. maybe he was collecting all those dna samples and found he liked hurting people then he escalated to killing them. the brains might jes be his trophies.

My guess is that he wants to be the only "special" person. Also, that in his hunting he has found taking out thier brains is the "safest" way to make sure they don't get back up...

[SparrowHawk]

Hmm..

If I remember right the file was talking about dreams inducing genetic change or bringing out the powers. I suspect that the boy is the one making mohinder dream about dad, etc. In fact he seems to be experiencing dreams that he didnt actually witness himself (converstation between mom and dad).

What I dont get is if sylar can chop a skull open that fast with TK, why didnt he do that to the cop instead of force her gun back on herself. Unless he is using TK with some kind of saw/knife that he didnt have at that time.

Is this the first time that we learned that HRG knows about sylar? Plus he has been tracking these people for > 14years so this is not a new developement...

So how does everyone find about where to go to save the cheerleader and get there in 2 days.....

If dad knows what sylar looks like (he recognized the painting) Why doesnt he just have brain wipe dude just follow her at homecoming and wipe him when he shows up.

[Ganlron]

mebbe he only can do teh skull choppy thing on people with the power.

[Caranthir]

If dad knows what sylar looks like (he recognized the painting) Why doesnt he just have brain wipe dude just follow her at homecoming and wipe him when he shows up.

My guess is that he's protected himself against telepathy.

[Draknor]

Tin foil hat?

[Quervo]

Well the Cheerleader is in Odessa Tx... Not Las Vegas. Hiro is already there... And the attack is going to happen at her homecomming.

Second Syler wont be Electro Boy due to his skin color being wrong... Syler is a White guy... (Getting this from the fact that when Syler TK'd the cup to himself right before hacking memory girl. His hands did not match the shade of the little boy.)

Second... I think the point of saving the cheerleader isnt so much about saving her as stopping Syler... I think the Explosion the destroys New York is cause from Syler killing the Radiation Guy. (He said he doesnt know what might happen if he dies... he may explode like a nuclear explosion.

[SparrowHawk]

Then why say save the cheerleader. You could easily say kill sylar....

[Greebo]

Then why say save the cheerleader. You could easily say kill sylar....
I think Peter is going to end up being critical to saving "The world" (or at least NYC).

His ability to duplicate special powers makes him the only one who potentially can have powers to match Cyler's apparently impressive array. Not only can he TK, he can fly, he apparently can heal fast (bullets knocked him down, I don't buy the tk shielding, I think he got *hit*), and he can move invisibly or something like that.

Peter getting access to super healing, super strength (Niki), prediction, time slicing and moving through solid objects would make him formidable. But if he can't heal quickly, he's screwed...any of the other powers, however, could be optional, but he has to be able to avoid death...

[Lycos]

I agree with Greebo. The only thing that I'm trying to figure out is how will they do it all within what I would suppose will be a short amount of time. I don't see them having a lot of time to work together like the X-Men do. Even if you have all the powers there, who will know what to do when the time comes. My only guess is just dumb luck.

And I'm unsure what happened to Hiro. I don't think he overshot. If I were him, and up against a foe that I could not beat. I would move back in time, take the girl and jump ahead in time and move to a safer location or away from that town to save her.

[attriel]

And I'm unsure what happened to Hiro. I don't think he overshot. If I were him, and up against a foe that I could not beat. I would move back in time, take the girl and jump ahead in time and move to a safer location or away from that town to save her.

not sure if he overshot by accident or intentionally went further back

but i'm guessing we know how he learns such good english now :)

and it's possible he doesn't have the control to know how to move through time with someone

of course, there's the whole paradox issue of him jumping back, getting her to not be there that day so sylar doesn't kill her, but he doesn't meet her. and between not knowing her and her not being dead, he wouln't go back to stop her :o i presume that, in good comic fashion, they'll go with "the timeline cleans, but he was from a different timeline, so he comes back and tells other him to go back to talk to the nice waitress who isn't dead to make her be not dead" option :o

[shadowgate]

Hiro, is the key. Time (and space) for him is(are) nothing.... once he learns how to really control it. So all he needs to do is practice and then go talk to each of them and time/space port them to the cheerleader. Now I am not sure this is what will happen but it seems fully within Hiro's power.

[Raveneye]

My problem with Hiro is that if he stays in the past to help the girl, like it would appear he's doing from the picture, then isn't he in essence undoing everything else from that point to the present, including helping Peter and Isaac with the phone call, saving DL from the car explosion and surging forward in time to the day of the explosion from his trainride in Japan? It would invalidate the entire show.

Of course, they can always explain it away that he pops around in time to correct these things, but that presents it's own paradox, and he's need a freaking PDA to keep track of everywhere and everywhen he's supposed to be.

Oh, and the waitress chick has the super power of speed learning? That has to be the crapiest "super" power ever unless you run up against a villian who will destroy the world unless you can solve his theoretical math equation for X in less than 5 minutes. She'd pretty much have to be the one who stays at the Hall of Justice every episode and simply Googles for information to feed to the team.

[attriel]

My problem with Hiro is that if he stays in the past to help the girl, like it would appear he's doing from the picture, then isn't he in essence undoing everything else from that point to the present, including helping Peter and Isaac with the phone call, saving DL from the car explosion and surging forward in time to the day of the explosion from his trainride in Japan? It would invalidate the entire show.


while I don't disagree on the paradox part, why does Hiro(X) going into the past for a bit change what Hiro(X-1) did?

all the things you mention, with the exception of Hiro(Z) appearing on the train to talk to Peter, were done by Hiro before he went back.

[Caranthir]

Atty beat me to it. Hiro staying in the past effectively means there are two Hiros at that point (the one on his way from Vegas to Texas, and the new one who travelled back in time). Eventually the first Hiro will catch up to the point in time where he travels back in time to become the second Hiro, and from that point forward (assuming Hiro doesn't travel back to that point in the future) there will only be one Hiro again.

As far as the waitress goes, she could become the Heroes universe equivalent of Oracle in the DCU. Supplies the other heroes with the info they need to effectively do their jobs. Not an insiginificant power by any means.

[attriel]

As far as the waitress goes, she could become the Heroes universe equivalent of Oracle in the DCU. Supplies the other heroes with the info they need to effectively do their jobs. Not an insiginificant power by any means.

could also be an eidetic memory, so she can get a brief glimpse of the schematics for the super ray weapon of hero-doom and then walk someone through disarming it without needing to first actually swipe the blueprints from the super-fortified fortress of fortitude or something

and it's always nice to skip a few steps here and there :o

now, here's my question: if peter mimics her power, does he still remember things when the power turns back off?

[Raveneye]

while I don't disagree on the paradox part, why does Hiro(X) going into the past for a bit change what Hiro(X-1) did?

all the things you mention, with the exception of Hiro(Z) appearing on the train to talk to Peter, were done by Hiro before he went back.

Assuming Hiro STAYS in the past to try and prevent the girl's death, then he would displace himself in that timeline. I suppose the writers could get around this by saying that Hiro-X can jump about all he wants, and as long as he never encounters himself in a timeline, it's all good. That way Hiro-X can hang for a few weeks with the girl, gain her trust, and save her, as long as he pops back right before he would encounter himself in the diner. Seems like that kind of power would enable you to win pretty much any situation though, as long as you were still alive to pop backwards and set things right...

[Draknor]

Future Hiro mentioned "risking causing a rift" when he came back to talk to present Peter. So there are apparent risks and limits to his time travel abilities.

[Caranthir]

Why would H2 "displace" H1?

[Aananla]

Why would H2 "displace" H1?
Well, because H1 was specifically designed for the military, and therefore, mightily uncomfortable and noisy. H2 was necessary for the general public to flash their bling in luxurious and gaudy ways. Then, there was H3 for the other part of the public who hadn't the cash for the H2, but suffered from the bling envy.

sorry, had to.

[EricStratton]

Hiro going back in time didn't seem to have any effect on what Syler did, tho. Hiro's friend was still standing there waiting for him. I thought I saw cops still walking around (I'd have to check that, tho).

[Draknor]

*this space reserved for incoherent ranting when the cheerleader isn't saved this evening*

Okay, so she's "saved". Which is a good thing because the local radio stations played a damn commercial about it every few minutes yesterday.

I'm wondering if the woman working for Claire's dad is related to the police officer. She's obviously some sort of telepath. I wonder if she's going to let on that they've captured Syler, however, and if she isn't really the "evil" one after all.

The way Peter cheated death wasn't too much of a surprise. I do have to feel sorry for the other cheerleader for getting in the way, even if she wasn't too nice a person.

I figure the stripper's husband isn't dead. It's probably a given that he doesn't drop his power and he was phasing when she took the shot.

I definitely like the episodes with more Hiro in them better than the rest.

[Quervo]

Yes the waitress was dead... Hiro jumped back 6 Months.

The chick that works with Clare's Dad is a much different type of Telepath... I dont thing she can read thoughts like the cop can, but that she can implant suggestions in peoples minds.

Peter arrested was a different twist...

Syler's power is both focused and general... He is obviously a TK... and it was kinda cool watching him cut off the Cheerwitch's skull.

[Raveneye]

Yeah, very weird how he used focused TK used to slice open someone's skull, I'm not sure I buy that, but whatever.

I wonder if Hiro saves the waitress in the past, will we have to see the whole save the cheerleader routine over again with a different outcome? Remember there WAS a painting of Hiro and Ando under a bloody Homecoming banner...

Having his mom blow his dad's brains out in front of him would be too messed up for Micah to endure, so I have a feeling that DL survives the shot. I like angry Jessica though, she's hot.

Peter getting arrested is interesting. Claire can obviously exonerate him, as can her father, but will they? I LOLed at all the high school popularity stuff this episode. I wonder if now Claire will join the supergroup or if they'll just continue her separate storyline? Still no real clue as to who Sylar really is...

The Mohinder stuff felt like filler. I wasn't impressed with his being able to go back with the dream weaver and see all the past events in a new light. It does explain why they picked up Stargate guy though, so it's likely Mohinder's dad really is dead, and the actor was just brought in for the dream sequences.

[Greebo]

I laughed so loud I scared the dog when Claire punched the cheerbitch.

Who's "Stargate guy?" Oh, surresh? I think of him as being from The Mummy m'self.

[Lycos]

I was let down by last night's episode. I think this show is going to lose me if things don't start picking up.

[shadowgate]

It let me down a bit by not getting more people together to save the cheerleader but in someways I thinking it works out better this way. My questions is , is the empath and the mindwiper really working for HRG dad or do they have their own agenda? I was starting to think empath girl was a better person than the HRG dad but that final scene made her look more sinister. Or was that just me? I did like the Indian guys story line and I am interested to see what roll he will play.


My biggest question is Hiro not coming back because he is afraid to overshoot again or what?

[Greebo]

Huh - we both thought it was a pretty good one...

Oh well...

[Lycos]

Huh - we both thought it was a pretty good one...

Oh well...

I would like to see them together faster. It reminds me of a D&D session where the DM takes 4 hours to get everyone together. IMO it's getting to be a bit much to keep dragging this out. Now, you have Ando and Hiro split up. There was so much switching back and forth for each person's part that as a whole, not much story line changed.

Let's see.

Last week, Ando is waiting for Hiro.
This week Ando is waiting for Hiro.
Last week, Psycho girl wants to kill husband.
This week, Psycho girl gets gun, still has not done anything useful. Maybe at the end?
Last week, Dad and son are on the run.
This week, Dad and son are still on the run. The boy says what we have already suspected, he knew Mom had 2 personalities.
Last week, the cop had some movement in his story line.
This week, nothing has really happened to him.
The cheerleader is really the one that finally had some movement in her story.

I think this is another series that is best viewed once the DVD comes out.

[Caranthir]

At least things are actually progressing (unlike Lost, for example).

[Lycos]

At least things are actually progressing (unlike Lost, for example).

True. There is some movement. :D I'll stop whining now. :lowlol:

[Raveneye]

No, I can see how people would be dissapointed. They built it up like it was going to be all these people coming together to save the cheerleader and fight/defeat Sylar, and what really happened?

Peter was the only "Hero" to actually go to the school and save Claire.
Claire still has tons of unresolved issues.
The big fight with Sylar was just Peter, and lasted 30 seconds, with Peter only using one power, Claire's healing.
Hiro's part of the story is still unresolved.
Niki/Jessica and DL/Micah are still unresolved, though much closer now.
Psycop and Radioactive Man made no appearances.

I mean, basically all that happened is that in about 5 minutes of show we saw Peter interrupt Sylar's plan to harvest Claire, Peter and Claire meet and know about each other's powers, and Sylar now is the prisoner of Eden, the Hatian and G-Man Dad (which seems stupidly dangerous considering his power). That's it after weeks of buildup.

I still enjoyed the episode and love the show, but I can totally see how that would dissapoint people expecting a whole lot more resolution from last night's episode. Plus, next week is an "Origins" episode where we go back six months and see what everyone was like before all this, cool, but little plot advancement.

[shadowgate]

I really think that it was just Claire and Peter was a good thing. If others where there without getting a grasp of there powers... Sylar would have easily killed them. Claire and Peter with Claire's powers where the only people that could survive Sylar at this point... even Hiro would likely not been able to react fast enough. Sylar has had way too much time to "hone" his ablity. Peter and Claire got lucky and if HRG dad's group has Sylar and it isn't something else going on they are WAY stupid not killing him immediately.

[SparrowHawk]

Well, I did kinda think it was going to be tough to pull everyone together in one episode. Basically the way they did this preserved the accuracy of the paintings without having Claire die (since the faces arent all that accurate in the pics). Of course that bodes ill for the blow up NewYork painting... Since we havent demonstrated the ability to change the painting future yet.

I am not sure that the waitress is still dead, she may just have vanished (can you say timeline jump) The little picture shrine could be because of that. And since Hiro's power seems to be a bit inaccurate, its possible that the jump back forward overshot by a bit as well (hence no sign of him for 2 weeks).

Its pretty final that sylar is not future Peter.. I can put another picture from the show in the gallery if people are interested. The question is can they hold sylar and what will HRG guy do? Plus they still keep calling HRG the face of evil in the intro's.

We still dont know why claire is so important to the world yet.. I still think it has to be a disease that only her power can heal.

I dont think they are going to all get together for a long time.

[SparrowHawk]

I just realized that the reason Peter gets arrested is so that they can link him up with the cop. Since the murder is definitely signature sylar the FBI/Cops are going to get ahold of him. Put him in a room with the cop and he will be reading there minds pretty quick. That and Claires testemony should get him off the hook.

Seems like Peter is the key linking them all together. Which explains why Hiro came back to tell him.

Peter - Painter, FlyBoy Brother, Hiro, Claire, Suresh?

Soon to add Cop.. Now the question is going to be how Nikki, Micha, and Dad link up to the rest of them... Plus I am not sure how Hiro will deal with Evil Nikki.

New question... If Nikki's split personality is part of her power... and She meets up with peter.... What happens to him.. Could be scary.

[Raveneye]

I can see Peter and Psycop in the room together.

<voiceovers, cause both are mind reading, duh>
"Are you reading my mind?"
"What?"
"Huh?"
"Whassat?"
"Did you just..."
"You too?!"
"Stop that!"

Hilarity ensues.

[Asharad]

The Dad is the most interesting character on this show.

I'm not convinced his power isn't "Your powers don't work on me."

At some point they are going to have to somehow merge evil/good hotchick (that'll be tough if you can still keep her interesting). Anybody who reads comics knows that every team needs an asskicker and they don't have that yet.

Edit: Do we know the fate of the cheerbitch? Be funny if she was the "cheerleader" they were supposed to save.

[shadowgate]

Brain eater? More in the morning! :)

[Draknor]

Ok, I'm getting bored with this. They throw us a few tidbits from 6 months ago, none of which really advance the story much, and now they're going on a "holiday break".

Unless next week's episode really thrills me, I might forget to watch when it comes back.

[Quervo]

All I can say is poor Hiro 8(

[DirkDarkBlade]

What happened that Hiro can't port any more?

This episode reminded me of a clip show where a series shows clips of what happened over the season (I know this was new stuff but I think we only learned a couple of important things, like who Sylor (sp?) is).

I agree next weeks ep better be pretty good if they expect folks to return after the Christmas break.

[Caranthir]

When did this whole "fall finale" thing become the standard? Heroes, Prison Break, Jericho, Lost, they're all going on hiatus until sometime in January or February. What are they going to show in the meantime?

I actually enjoyed the episode. It gave them a chance to show what Hiro was doing six months in the past without having to keep explaining when it was taking place. I think Hiro's problems with his powers are probably psychological.

So Niki/Jessica are actually two different people? Twin sister who jumped ship to her sister's body at the moment of death?

Now that I've been shown to be wrong about Sylar, why did they keep his face dark throughout the first few episodes? It's not like we were going to recognize him.

[Raveneye]

I thought last night's episode was pretty good, we got a lot of questions answered and background on lots of folks. Eden sure was nicer looking before she went all pixie chick, and apparently Jessica was Nikki's abused sister that their father killed. Still unlcear if the sister's conciousness transferred to Nikki or if she's just split personality psycho.

Glasses dad gets less and less sinister with every show. I wonder what he thinks he's going to do with Sylar. It was also fun to see the origins of Sylar, apparently he had ZERO powers to start with, and is absorbing them somehow.

I guess we were meant to infer that Hiro's girlfriend wasn't killed by Sylar, but by her brain tumor? Poor Hiro.

[Raveneye]

When did this whole "fall finale" thing become the standard? Heroes, Prison Break, Jericho, Lost, they're all going on hiatus until sometime in January or February. What are they going to show in the meantime?

This is more common this year because of a combination of production time and new fall shows. LOST and Prison Break have longer production times, so they need more time to complete filming and editing on the second half of a season. New shows like Hero and Jericho only got 13 episode orders to start with, but when they caught on received full 22 episode orders, so they need more time to film and edit those extra episodes. The result is the "fall break".

In the meantime we'll see replacement shows (like Daybreak) that would have aired had a new show flopped.

[Caranthir]

Glasses dad gets less and less sinister with every show. I wonder what he thinks he's going to do with Sylar. It was also fun to see the origins of Sylar, apparently he had ZERO powers to start with, and is absorbing them somehow.

I think he did have a power to start with: the ability to understand instinctively how things work. His ability with the watches, as well as what he said to Brian Davis just prior to smacking him over the head, kind of insinuates this.

[Greebo]

Yeah I liked the "You're broken" remark. So he see's how things work, and they work by EATING BRAINS...

*sigh*

Oh well, overall I enjoyed it.

[Raveneye]

He's obviously a zombie.

[Greebo]

Jack! JACK! Get in here...

[SparrowHawk]

Actually I think that this gives us alot of pieces of information to go forward with...

So Sylar and absorb others powers by doing something with their brain. This explains the multiple power deal, plus how he could be such a risk to the future. The preview for next week talks about him gaining power, even though he is captured, so I suspect that he is going to escape.

I am pretty convinced now that "save the cheerleader, save the world" actually has nothing to do with the cheerleader doing anything from this point on. I think that this was just to keep sylar from absorbing her powers. A sylar that can heal himself if probably almost impossible to get rid of in the future.

Its possible that the whole point of the Hiro/Charlie thing was to reveal that charlie had a clot/anurism that might have been linked to her powers. The possability exists that when sylar copies her powers that he gets the rest of it too. This explains why we don't want him to get Claires power, since it would heal the clot. It can also explain why Hiro couldnt save Charlie, since she needs to die to stop Sylar.

Its still unclear if jessica is just a split personality of nikki or if jessica's power allowed her to jump into nikki. I need to check the date on the tombstone from the show and see when jessica died.

It is more clear now that either HRG is immune to powers or that the Mind wipe guy somehow inhibits them. (they keep flashing to him when powers dont work). So this explains how they think they can hold sylar. But I still dont know why daddy doesnt wipe him right away to keep claire safe.

It isn't clear yet wether the nuclear man blows up new york or wether sylar gets him. Sylar seems to have more control of the new powers then the previous person and maybe gets them at near full potential. So if he gets nuclear mans power, he may be able to trigger a nuclear explosion on his own.

All of this also helps explain why Hiro goes back and talks to peter about things. If in the future sylar has a bunch of powers that he steals, the only one with a chance to stand up to him would be peter since while he is near sylar he potentially would have all the same powers.

It sounds like the finally start to pull everyone together next episode. I still like the show, the pace doesnt bother me that much, I guess because I like trying to figure everything out.....

[shadowgate]

I too liked the show but I just think they over-hyped it. I think Sylar is able to look at the brains of people with gifts and understand what is different and copy that to his brain.

Jessica died 1987, I believe, and was born in 1976... so she was 11.

[Quervo]

SG is right on the tombstone....

Jessica said that she had been protecting Nikki ever since she died. How they explain the personality shift will be interesting.

[EricStratton]

Finally watched the show tonight. We enjoyed it too. I like the pacing (Joy doesn't so much). I'm curious how Sylar is getting the power, tho. I think the biggest problem is what SG said - they are overhyping each episode way too much. I mean even at the end of this one it said something like "For a show known for its cliffhangers, you ain't seen nothing yet." Pleeeease.

[Caranthir]

Well, apparently in the next episode, (nonspecific but still spoilers) one of the heroes is supposed to die. The way it's been going though, it's likely to be either Eden or Niki's husband.

[Raveneye]

Canadian preview of next week's big fall finale : SPOILER ALERT!!!

http://www.fangasm.com/01television/heroes/heroes-nonus-promo-clip.php (http://www.fangasm.com/01television/heroes/heroes-nonus-promo-clip.php)

Just clicking a link to a site called "fangasm" makes me feel dirty...

[Aananla]

I ain't touching that link.

[Lycos]

I finally really liked this week's episode. It did answer a lot of questions which does move the plot on a lot of levels. Yeah, not a lot of action again, but I'm getting used to that.

[SparrowHawk]

I didnt follow the link, I like to speculate too much. Anyone remember the date when Hiro jumped to the future? Are we approaching the nuke? Maybe the painter gets it. He is near Sylar now...

So far all future/past event shown have occured without change.... So its looking bad for the painter and NY.

[Draknor]

My friend, you need something else to obssess about. Seriously.:D

[Draknor]

I ain't touching that link.

It appears to be completely work safe.

[Greebo]

The video isn't giving anything away really, I thought.

[Caranthir]

The video isn't giving anything away really, I thought.

Well, there is one shot where Micah is kneeling over his dad, but we don't necessarily know whether his dad is dead or not. So yeah, it doesn't really give away much.

[Asharad]

I finally watched this last epsiode and felt that it was the best one thus far.

It was the first time I was the opposite of bored halfway through.

Dad is my favorite character.

[Raveneye]

Wow. Nice way to go into a "fall break". Lots of interesting stuff to mull over...

No more Eden. I had figured it would be either her or Isaac that bought it given their proximity to Sylar. I wonder how he managed to get immunity from her voice power? Maybe he stuffed something in his ears? Seems like The Hatian has the power to nullify powers, as he has done so now with Eden, Matt and Sylar. I suppose it was him that was keeping Sylar's powers supressed while he was captive.

Speaking of the Hatian, HE TALKS! Sounds like he may have his own agenda separate from that of glasses dad. Glasses dad is losing more and more control by the minute.

Hira and Ando stole the show again with their interaction with "Mr. I-saac". Gotta love the painting of Hiro and the dinosaur and his "I need to get that katana!" comment. Awesome.

Niki/Jessica and DL/Micah are starting to become annoying. Hopefully they will tie into the plot soon. It was good that they appeared in Peter's vision at least, as that seems to indicate they will join the others at some point.

And finally, Peter's vision. Not sure what the deal was with that, he never came in contact with someone with "vision" powers, but whatever. It's obvious that the vision shows him having come into contact with Radioactive Man from the earlier episodes, and not being able to contain the power. So to "save the world" does he just need to stay out of New York? Or was the vision showing him what happened from Radioactive Man's perspective, in other words, he needs to go to New York and find Radioactive Man to stop him from exploding? Hmmm... :smile:

This show rocks. Just when you think it can't get any better they toss in more twists, a dinosaur, and Mr. Sulu as Hiro's dad in an upcoming episode. Brilliant!

[Caranthir]

Christopher Eccleston is joining the cast too.

[Greebo]

Christopher Eccleston is joining the cast too.
Oooh, I'm gonna look forward to that!

[EricStratton]

I'm a little annoyed w/ the ending. First, like RE said, the vision. Where'd that come from? Second, the big question is now "are you on the list"? Huh? Who cares? I thought the big question was *still* "how are they going to save the world"?

Since I'm assuming they are still going for a plot where the cheerleader plays a major part I'm guessing Peter absorbs Radioactive Man's powers but then maybe the cheerleader jumps on him and takes the brunt or maybe her powers help Peter "beat" the nuclear reaction in his body. Or he finds love and they all live happily ever after.

I too am annoyed about hot stripper and the fam. Come on, get on w/ it. I do think it's interesting that she had herself arrested to contain Evil Sister.

And finally, Hiro + dinosaur = awesome.

[Caranthir]

I'm pretty sure they're working towards the Peter/Claire love connection.

I'm curious to find out who HRG is working for/with. And what the Haitian's agenda is.

And I gotta say that in getting herself arrested, all Nikki likely did was get a bunch of cops hurt.

[Ganlron]

the vision = i jes figured it was the same sort of thing he was having at the beginning with the flying dreams. or the dream he had when whatshernames father died. or mebbe it's some odd part of his power to copy other power's. a deep connection with the mind's of the other heroes. he's seein dreams through their eye's which is why he saw himself flying when it's his bro's ability.

[shadowgate]

the vision = i jes figured it was the same sort of thing he was having at the beginning with the flying dreams. or the dream he had when whatshernames father died. or mebbe it's some odd part of his power to copy other power's. a deep connection with the mind's of the other heroes. he's seein dreams through their eye's which is why he saw himself flying when it's his bro's ability.

I agree. I think it is just part of his power but one that hasn't been developed(seen) as much. I think it is tied into his contact with more and more of the other "heroes". So Peter has been "near" his brother, Claire, Hiro, the painter and psyphic cop. He just hasn't been in direct contact with Nikko or DL.

My question is what had been keeping Sylar in the cell? Was he playing games or was he being held back by something Eden turned off so that she could use her powers on him or was it the Haitian(sp) who was elsewhere at the time?

[Raveneye]

I think it was something Eden turned off so she could use "the Voice" on him. When he saw what she was trying to do, he knew his powers worked again too. I suspect he may have countered the voice by simply plugging his ears with shreads of napkin from his dinner or something similar. The Hatian had been busy running around wiping people's minds, so they wouldn't have been counting on him to surpress Sylar.

I forgot about Peter's previous dreams, that's a good point. Seems that may be part of his power too, he's more than just The Sponge. I wonder if the "vision" was showing him the people he needs to collect to accomplish his next task, since everything seems to revolve around him in some way.

You know Sylar's going to be pissed when they meet again.

[EricStratton]

BTW, I'm disappointed in the Dad. Wiping the minds of your wife (repeatedly, lordy what'd he do?), your son and then attempting to wipe your daughter's mind seems uncool to me. What'd he think was going to happen? She'd figure out she had powers the next time she tripped.

[shadowgate]

Oh, everyone should check out the online comic. A few interesting bits in it and I have been told by someone that reads a bunch about this series online that the comic will continue each week while the show is not on.

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/

[Draknor]

Why, exactly is Peter sick? Has he come into contact with the radioactive guy? Or did he draw something from the telepath's contact with him?

Good episode with the exception of the Nikki/DL/Micha stuff. Even I'm getting tired of that one.

Now I'm wondering how long it'll be before the telepath cop starts something up with his partner.

[Lycos]

I saw the episode last night. Good episode. And I can agree with the Nikki/DL story line. Please get on with it. I liked that they showed that Dad has someone to answer to. So, this definitely seems government related.

Sulu is coming on the show to be Hiro's Dad? Cool!

[attriel]

my best guess on peter would be the sheer number of powers he's slammed through in the last 24 hours.

claire, partman, sylar-et-al, possibly eden and the haitian (dependin on the distance he snags at)

he could also just be sick ;) dude did just jump off the top of a school. even with magic regen, that's gonna burn off a few white cells, and going new york to texas is a bit of a temp change ...

i like the fact that eden was like "if your haitian could talk ..." and then later he's chatting away at claire ... while holding a hand over her mouth to keep her from screaming and acting all like a kidnap guy, so i'm sure she's listening carefully :o

[shadowgate]

Yep, they are continue the online comic while the show isn't running.

[Caranthir]

Ok, so much for the Claire/Peter hookup theory (unless the writers are really sick, that is).

[Ciiera]

I was surprised at the ending last night. Holy crap talk about a twist. That's awesome. This was a good episode, I thought.

[Greebo]

There might be a bit of a continuity problem here. How old is Claire? Now - how old is Nathan?

To look at him, I'd have to speculate that he's not yet 40 - and Peter looks like he's only in his late 20's, so Nathan had to be maybe just out of college or even in college? Nathan's from NY - Mom is from TX - ... lot of back story to fill in here and its gonna be difficult to be convincing.

The Hiro story was cute but didn't add much. Seemed like an excuse to say, "HEY LOOK WE GOT GORGE TAKEI!!!"

I am enjoying Eccelson's role though. :)

[Raveneye]

Clare is 16, just turned according to a previous episode. Nathan looks to be about 40, maybe a little over or under. That would put him at around 24, just out of college and doing who knows what in preparation for a career, at the time of her birth. Since Nathan and Peter's dad was apparently someone with some wealth and influence, it wouldn't be a stretch to think Nathan was down in Texas running some company holding for his father. Peter seems to be in his late 20's from the way everyone harped on him about finding a direction in life and whatnot when the show began last fall. Big gap, but not unheard of. It'll be interesting to see how it pans out.

I want to know how glasses dad shot Sylar and then both he and the Hatian somehow missed Sylar getting up and walking out afterwards. That made no sense. I understand Sylar can stop bullets with his TK, but he can't turn invisible, yet.

The Hiro and George Takai stuff was terrible. Complete and utterly useless filler. It wasn't even funny. Basically it seemed like a quick and dirty way to explain how Hiro and Ando could continue to skip work for a month or more and not be missed. Who cares?

Christopher Eccleston is quickly becoming my favorite character. His solution to Peter's sudden "power surge" had me falling out of my chair laughing.

[EricStratton]

Yeah, I'm disappointed w/ who they decided to be the father. I guess it explains her powers (I *guess*) but I think it's sort of a cop out.

I agree w/ Greebs re: Hiro's story.

I don't get why Peter thinks (or knows) that Invisible Guy can help him. Can Invisible Guy go visible?

[Greebo]

Christopher Eccleston is quickly becoming my favorite character. His solution to Peter's sudden "power surge" had me falling out of my chair laughing.

Yes - very pragmatic! Not to mention his explanation for pushing Peter off the roof. Basically - either you get it under control or I have to defuse you so you fly or die. :)

[Quervo]

Glasses Dad and Hatian didnt miss seeing him... Dad stopped to help mom... he sent hatian to chase him.

Nathan could have just been going to or graduated from college in TX or it could have been the off handed comment from the MOM... I have moved around alot. It could have been a summer fling in NY or just about anywhere. She gets prego, he pays her off to go away.

I get that from what she said on the phone... "I know you dont want to hear from me again... But i just talked to our daughter"

[SparrowHawk]

Of course the whole concept that peter doesnt need to be near someone to use that power is big. This puts him way up in power scale over sylar (he needs to kill someone to get the power, not just be near them).

plus, what about when peter is near sylar? Does he get all the stolen powers too? If he learns to control it....

The claire nathan thing is just another way to tie all of these people together. But come on, how many skeletons does nathan have in his closet. Kinda think that the dead ex girlfriend/child thing would come up in the campaign.

I agree that the Hiro story was a waste. I assume though that he is going to run into Nikki when he goes for the sword.

Did the preview show Nikki throwing the cop out of a window? Seems to imply that Nikki is going to keep being a bad guy.

[Greebo]

The preview said the line between good and evil would finally be crossed...and it looked to me like Matt was going out the window.

But what the heck do they mean finally? Jessica killing the poker players wasn't??

[attriel]

The preview said the line between good and evil would finally be crossed...and it looked to me like Matt was going out the window.


well, that'll fix his headaches i guess ;)

[shadowgate]

I almost wonder if Sylar and Peter have the same power but just Sylar thinks he has to kill people to copy it...

[Ciiera]

I almost wonder if Sylar and Peter have the same power but just Sylar thinks he has to kill people to copy it...
Oh good question! I was wondering something along the same lines but hadn't fully formed the thought yet.

The whole thing with Nikki/Jessica is stupid. I know they had to find a qay to get her out of the asylum but come on! She killed and injured HOW MANY people while in there? It is not believable enough that they let her out, even if they did try to make it obvious that it was a stupid thing.

[EricStratton]

I almost wonder if Sylar and Peter have the same power but just Sylar thinks he has to kill people to copy it...
I too like this theory.

[DirkDarkBlade]

I liked the ep last night too.

I liked George Takei (SP?) being in the show but I certainly hope they have him back later for some bigger purpose. Otherwise I agree it felt like filler and a way to get a big name in the show. It did slow down Hiro's story which was moving a bit faster than the others (at least it felt that way to me).

I was shocked by who Claire's father was (could he be older than he looks?). I hadn't worked out the different ages, but I felt something wasn't quite right. I thought Peter was older than early 20's. Being a nurse I figured he'd finished college and some medical school so I'd put him more in the mid to late 20's. His brother coulda been in college and met Mom while she was visiting NY or he visiting TX? Makes me wonder about the fire...could he have been trying to hide the evidence of his "youthful transgression"? He's done a lot to keep his rep upright for the election.

I really like Eccleston's character. I liked his solution to Peter's power overload and was surprised by his method of teaching Peter to use his power.

I really need to find time to read the online stuff.

[Quervo]

I too like this theory.

I dont think Syler copies powers.. I think he has a way to increase his power level

[Greebo]

I think Sylar steals powers in a fashion that requires death. His natural power is understanding how things work at apparently genetic levels as well as mechanical, so he saw how the powers worked and how he could steal them.

Peter, on the other hand, is genetically able to copy the traits of others (explained last week), so he doesn't steal or absorb them, he simply acquires them.

[SparrowHawk]

Its never been made clear as to how sylar copies powers or why he seems to need to have direct access to the brain to do it. His powers were originally about knowing what was wrong with something (watches) so that he could fix them.

Of course if peter does have access to all powers he has been exposed to, then that might explain the hospital visit after his encounter with sylar. He was exposed to a whole lot of powers . Of course his way to access the power is to focus on the person that has them. This might be a problem if he would need to know the "original" owners of sylars powers.

The fire with claires mom was obviously a result of her not being able to control her power. Of course I think we are starting to get some conflicts in the story arc. I find it hard to believe that nathan didn't know about the fire power or the flying at that time. But we have already seen when nathan found out about flying with his wifes accident.

[Raveneye]

It seems HRG knew all about Claude and some other "first generation" heroes. It's conceivable that at some point Nathan was well aware of his power, but then HRG and the mind-wipe guy got ahold of him and made him "normal" again.

Still, what you say is true, it's wearing a bit thin that some of these folks didn't know about their powers beforehand. The whole "get out of jail free" thing for Niki was simply retarded, as even if someone else confessed to the murders, she still would be doing time for assualt (several times over) and messing up that shrink so badly.

[SparrowHawk]

They imply that the mob boss has enough pull to get people to "drop the charges"....

[EricStratton]

Heroes/Lost article I got from Digg (so it may take a while to come up):

http://www.ogmog.com/2007/02/07/heroes-execs-discuss-shows-future-lost-more/

[Asharad]

The Hatian guy told Claire that her real parents used to work with them (him and HRG).

I will accept that maybe they mind wiped nathan so he didn't remember them (HRG and Hatian guy) but howcome HRG and Hatian guy act like they don't know Nathan? They had him in their "cluches" and all.

[Greebo]

Hatian guy said he'd never met the parents though, so his info was 2nd hand via HRG, IIRC.

[shadowgate]

I missed that bit about them working for HRG. Then who wiped Nathan if the Hatian never met him?

[EricStratton]

Saw this on another forum and thought it was funny. I had totally missed it when I watched it live. Here's a shot of the car Hiro's dad's car. Notice the license plate. :rotflmao:

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/4514/hero2cc6.jpg

[SparrowHawk]

I like the license plate...

So the crossing the line of good and evil wasn't jessica throwing the cop out the window, but the cop keeping the diamonds.

So if the he can read both nikki and jessica's mind... what does that imply?

Great so now Sylar can melt things...

The previews show the painter getting thrown, by jessica or sylar? But if we have 2 weeks to the city exploding he can't lose his head yet, since Hiro saw a pretty fresh body.

[Caranthir]

"Somebody flies...". Gee, I wonder who.

"Somebody dies...". My guess: Claire's adopted mom.

[DirkDarkBlade]

Oh good question! I was wondering something along the same lines but hadn't fully formed the thought yet.

The whole thing with Nikki/Jessica is stupid. I know they had to find a qay to get her out of the asylum but come on! She killed and injured HOW MANY people while in there? It is not believable enough that they let her out, even if they did try to make it obvious that it was a stupid thing.
Is it possible the haitian went in and cleared the peopple's memories of what she'd done in the asylum?

[DirkDarkBlade]

Great so now Sylar can melt things...I think it is worse that the guy going around trying to catalog powers thinks he is some harmless melting things guy and may take him along to the other people with powers he's found.

What about the woman from the commercial (during Deal/No Deal) that had super hearing (I think) who could hear Syler's heart beat speeding up?

[Raveneye]

Melting boy really didn't think that power all the way through. I mean, come on, a 3AM visit to the local bank, melt a hole in the back wall of the bank vault, help yourself, purchase tickets to country with no extradition...done.

[Lycos]

I don't get the whole thing with Claire's Mom. Why is she leaving again? She just found her daughter. She should be taking the money and running with her! But with that said, it looks like her Mom is an ass anyway. She's only giving Claire a quarter of the money given to her. You would think that a real Mom would've been more interested in keeping her child if she had been found again.

[DirkDarkBlade]

I was shocked by who died.

I was not shocked by who flyed.

I'm worried that Dr. Who abandoned him.

I don't feel bad for Sylar now that he can't turn off his super hearing...why'd he want that power anyway. Maybe he will find a way to control it.

[Greebo]

I give Sylar 2 episodes before Suresh figures out he's not Zane, cause Suresh is not too bright sometimes.

The killing of the girlfriend was a surprise. Especially since she was in Peter's vision of the future. This may confirm the maleability of the Heroes timeline, or it may just mean Peter's vision wasn't fully true.

I do have sympathy for HRG.

And Hiro is still clueless to the fact that his "loss of power" is all in his head...

[Caranthir]

I'm glad they killed her. She was really getting on my nerves.

Next week's episode looks great.

And Mohinder's like the male Indian equivalent of Lois Lane and Lana Lang. How could he not figure out that "Zane" isn't who he says he is after he went all super-creepy in front of their motel rooms?