LOST - Season 3 discussions/spoilers

[Erudite]

I love the addition of Elizabeth Mitchell as Juliet.

The aerial shot of the very modern village inhabited by the Others on the island was chilling.

Jack has some issues.

Sawyer figuring out how to get a fish biscuit - haha!

Henry Gale's real name, at least his real first name, is Ben. I think this condemns him to several weeks of being referred to as Benry on message boards and internet chat rooms around the world.

Nothing about anybody but Jack, Kate, and Sawyer (and, or course, the Others) this week. It looks like we get back to the other castaways again next week, though. And Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje (I looked it up :lowrazz: ) was listed in the opening credits so it appears Mr. Eko has probably survived.

[Caranthir]

I'm pretty sure all three of the characters in the hatch at the end of last season will survive.

It looks like there may be things going on that even the Others don't know about (the voice Jack was hearing).

[EricStratton]

Jack could've been hearing things. Seems like he'd been w/o food and water for a bit.

I hope these back stories start to have something to do w/ the island part of the story. If I wanted to watch a soap opera, I would.

[Caranthir]

Jack could've been hearing things. Seems like he'd been w/o food and water for a bit.

True, but given what show this is, I'm guessing he wasn't. :D

[Raveneye]

Perhaps I'm just a bitter cynic, but I was very dissapointed in last night's season premiere. It started off so promising too, especially the Kate takes a shower scenes. :smile: But once again we're left with nothing answered and more questions piled on questions, with the likelyhood of ever seeing most of them answered pretty much slim to none. Add to that the annoyance of 4 minutes of show for every 6 mintes of commercials, and it was a letdown.

First of all, the whole utopian villiage on the island thing. WTF? Obviously they have plenty of contact with the outside world as they have CDs, recent books, access to data on Jack, etc.. So what's the point of them screwing with the plane crash survivors? Is this how they recruit new members for their little society? Grab people that wash up on the island and then psychologically break them down and rebuild them into good little cult members? Seems kind of stupid and pointless.

The Dharma stuff has obviously all been abandoned for some time. We've pretty much seen each of the bunkers listed on the wall map now, and other than the original hatch, they all look like they've been abandoned awhile and only recently cleaned up a little for use by The Others. So is Dharma the forerunner of the Others little utopia or just another dead end? Are there "other" Others, not part of the Utopia?

The "earthquake" event at the start of the show was obviously the point in time when Desmond left the hatch and the countdown hit zero. That let the plane in. Since the same sort of thing only worse happened when the hatch blew up, what got let in now? Is the island open to the outside world now?

Basically, the whole episode was an analogy for how the show treats it's fans. We're given some tasty tidbits of plot like a bacon and eggs breakfast on the beach, but in the end we're right back in the bear cage trying to figure out the puzzle that in the end will reward us with a lousy fish biscuit. It's all part of the plan to break us down and build us back up into nice commercial watching little cult members.

[shadowgate]

Ok. I can see where RE is coming from but I loved the episode! When they came out of the house and I started seeing "others" I recognized and then saw the plane it sent chills up my spine! Yes, there where more questions than answers but that is what this show is all about! Ok, here are my questions.

1.) What Steven King book where they reading?
2.) What happened to Kate between breakfast and being put in cage by Sawyer? She sure seemed cowed and her wrists where all torn up!
3.) Was there some real anomosity(sp) shown between Ben and Julet there at the end? Was that something that already existed or due to Ben closing the hatch and letting them drown?
4.) Where there blood taken from Jack and Kate or where they injected with something?
5.) What is the 2 week terrorable period? Break down period? Outcome of the injection?
6.) Do the really have all that info on Jack or do they have some and are faking that they know the rest to get more? Yes, there seems to be some contact from the outside world (the supply drop) but do they have that much intel?
7.) Is the base Jack is in really underwater? I have always thought there was due to the cable but I still wonder.

I am sure I have more but that is a start! :P

[Caranthir]

The Stephen King book was Carrie (I saw a screenshot over on CHUD).

[Caranthir]

I just read that Nathan Fillion has been signed to play someone from Kate's past in a couple of episodes.

[Khamon]

I think the Ben and Juliet thing had something to do with the book club meeting at the beginning. Maybe they dated, or even lived together at one time?

[Asharad]

I think all of the male other's names were Ben.

[Khamon]

I only saw it once, but I think Benry call Ethan Rom "Ethan" when he sent him and Goodwin off the the two crash sites?

[Asharad]

Could be, but when Ethan was under the house I would have sworn somoene else refered to him as "Ben," and Julie was getting on the guy who didn't like the book and called him "ben"

[EricStratton]

Could be, but when Ethan was under the house I would have sworn somoene else refered to him as "Ben," and Julie was getting on the guy who didn't like the book and called him "ben"
No, they called him Ethan. And Julie was going off on that guy saying she was sorry Ben wouldn't like it. She specifically addressed that guy as Adam.

I wanna know why, after the earthquake, they all went outside and started looking around in the sky. Guess they knew it meant a plane was going to come down?

[Erudite]

Sun is a deceitful little wench. Jin is back to being a chauvinistic overbearing prig. For an ex-soldier, Sayid comes up with some of the dumbest damn plans of action.

Henry Gale's full name (according to him, anyway) is Benjamin Linus. He seems to spend a lot of time in the Hydra station watching everybody. He also apparently has some sort of history with Juliet.

I'm still liking the Juliet character. I think she's the story I'm most interested in right now.

I wonder what the deal is with the manual labor camp. Sawyer was pretty amusing this week. "How dare you!" Haha!

It looks like next week we find out what happened to Hurley, Desmond, Charlie, Locke, and Eko. Looking forward to that.

[Raveneye]

I'm totally with Sawyer, Chain Gang looks damn good on Kate. :eek!: :yumyum:
In fact, Sawyer has rapidly developed into my favorite character this season. They've swung back to making him the smart, funny and devious con-man he should be, instead of wimpy comic relief like he was most of last season. The fish biscuit cage last week and the labor camp this week had me rolling and wondering why he seems to be the only one trying to do anything about their situation.

I totally agree about Sayid, WTF?! The obvious plan would have been to light the fire and lay in wait on the boat with binoculars and the engines ready just in case they needed a quick getaway. Once again the writers make otherwise intelligent characters do something really stupid just to contrive a plot twist. Sigh.

Jack's bit with the Red Sox was comical. I still don't get what his deal is. If he's really been "broken" that quickly simply over guilt about his ex-wife then the writer's have totally gone over the line once again.

The Sun and Jin story played out pretty much as I suspected from the get go. She DID have the affair, and I bet dollars to donuts he knows about it now. Far from being a pig, I think Jin is just being protective, and has every right to distrust Sun. There is more to Jin than we've seen, he's one of my favorite characters and I bet we'll be surprised by him soon.

Overall this was a much better episode than the premiere. Still, it had some head scratchign moments. Who were the other people in the labor camp? Other survivors? Why did Kate and Sawyer not try to find out? What was with the dark haired chick talking to Kate? She was the one from last season that helped Zeke and his guys capture Michael, but both her and the kid in the cage from last week seem to be defecting from the Others.

So many questions, I'm convinced the writers have lost control of the show and we won't ever get good answers to the majority of things we want to know. Looks like next week the shadow beast is back, I wonder what lame answer they'll have for that since they've spent nearly a whole season avoiding it.

[Caranthir]

The dark-haired chick is Rousseau's kid.

[shadowgate]

Liked the episode but it was alot of tease. The "others" are without a doubt playing games with Jack, Kate, and "James". The question is what? So if we believe "Ben" then everyone in the "other" camp is second generation.... children of the original scientists? I am guessing that whatever it is the "others" believe and no matter how evil they seem, that belief is based on something they truly believe to be a fact (right or wrong). They really see themselves as the good guys even if at times they have to be brutal to do whatever it is they are doing. If the over the summer game info is true then Hanso was trying to stop the end of the world and then failing that trying to delay it by wiping out a large portion of the worlds population. That seems to play to this idea but what is plan C?

[Asharad]

I thought this episode was kind of dull, but I agree completely and totally that Sawyer has become the best and most interesting character on the show.

When he wasn't onscreen last night, I couldn't have cared less what was going on.

[shadowgate]

What was with the dark haired chick talking to Kate? She was the one from last season that helped Zeke and his guys capture Michael, but both her and the kid in the cage from last week seem to be defecting from the Others.


I thought that was the same girl that came into the room while Claire was being held by the others. I thought she was likely the daughter of the french women.

[Raveneye]

I thought that was the same girl that came into the room while Claire was being held by the others. I thought she was likely the daughter of the french women.

She is, and was.

She's appeared several times now. She helped Claire escape. She was with Zeke and his gang when they captured Kate to force Jack, Locke and Sawyer to give up their guns and turn back. She was with Zeke again when they took Michael, and now she's floating around the perimeter of the Others looking like she's going to help. I think they established at one point that she was Danielle's child (the French woman).

[EricStratton]

I thought that was the same girl that came into the room while Claire was being held by the others. I thought she was likely the daughter of the french women.
Yeah, what Car said.

As for the show, it was ok. I told Joy "The others will come from behind and grab the boat....cuz that's what I'd do."

I don't like how Jin can understand some english all of a sudden. Seems like it was written in there just so they could save some time w/ Sun translating all the time.

[Asharad]

Everyone treats Jin like he is retarded.

[Raveneye]

Everyone treats Jin like he is retarded.

And nobody seems to realize that Charlie probably is retarded.

[EricStratton]

Everyone treats Jin like he is retarded.
I think they treat him like someone they can't communicate w/. Which makes sense....

[Asharad]

I think they treat him like someone they can't communicate w/. Which makes sense....

Yeah, I know WHY they do it. It's just kind of funny.

Two things I love about sawyer:

1) he always knows the exact thing to say to piss people off the most. This is actually my superpower as well, but unlike Sawyer, I mostly DON'T say it, whereas he ALWAYS says it.

2) His nicknames. When he called Kate "Shortcake" last night I sorta wanted to sleep with him, it was just so endearing.

[EricStratton]

2) His nicknames. When he called Kate "Shortcake" last night I sorta wanted to sleep with him, it was just so endearing. I was impressed w/ how quick he came up w/ it b/c it was right after he said she tasted like strawberries. :lowlol: :yumyum:

I just remembered that Ben (aka Henry Gale) told Juliet "you never made me soup." At the time it made me wonder if Ben was a prisoner of Juliet's once. Now (after hearing Ben said he was on the island his whole life) I just wonder if he's the jealous type.

And an article I was reading this morning about Lost said:

Also, did you happen to catch the sign on the dock? It was two words, the second of which was "Ferry" -- which raises some interesting questions. Was there once a regular water taxi to somewhere else on the island? I definitely didn't catch it. But it's interesting.

[Erudite]

I was impressed w/ how quick he came up w/ it b/c it was right after he said she tasted like strawberries.

And she replied that he tasted like fish biscuits, which sounds like a rather interesting euphemism to me. :lowrazz:

[EricStratton]

Did some more Lost research (yeah, I'm *that* bored) and found that the sign said "Pala Ferry" and wiki'ing "Pala" learns you that, among other things, Pala is the name of a fictional island in Aldous Huxley's novel "Island."

[shadowgate]

One thing someone brought up and I think is likely correct, is that Sun may have pushed the guy off the building to protect herself.... :)

[Asharad]

One thing someone brought up and I think is likely correct, is that Sun may have pushed the guy off the building to protect herself.... :)

ha! I didn't think of that. I didn't think he jumped, but I didn't think of Sun either.

[shadowgate]

ha! I didn't think of that. I didn't think he jumped, but I didn't think of Sun either.

Didn't think of it either but as soon as I heard it, I knew it sounded "right".

[EricStratton]

Didn't think of it either but as soon as I heard it, I knew it sounded "right". I dunno. I can't see our little gardener throwing someone out of a building.

Edit: not to mention, Sun weighs in at what, like 100 lbs max? And the lover obviously works out (what a bod!).

[shadowgate]

I dunno. I can't see our little gardener throwing someone out of a building.

You have to get rid of the "weeds"! :twisted:

[Erudite]

Reappearance week in the third show of the third season. We finally get back to the beach to check in on Charlie and Claire, and discover the fate of the three occupants of the (now imploded) hatch. Oh, and Hurley eventually makes it back to the beach as well.

So, in this Locke-centric episode, we learn that John spent some time in a commune of pot-growing hippies and brought an undercover FBI agent into the group unknowingly. He also planned to kill the poor chap when it was discovered what he was, but he doesn't appear to have actually done so.

On the island, he wakes up in the jungle unable to speak. (Incidentally, Desmond woke up naked and Eko got dragged off by a polar bear - one of the aforementioned reappearances - so I guess Locke came off pretty well in the deal.) He convinces Charlie to stand guard for him after he builds a sweat-lodge, in which he intends to communicate with the island, and encounters dead guy Boone (another reappearance) in the ensuing dream sequence. Boone tells him he must rescue Eko, so he and Charlie track the polar bear back to it's cave (encountering Hurley on the way and sending him off to the beach) where Locke fends it off with a homemade torch and a can of hairspray - MacGyver's got nothing on this guy.

Meanwhile, on his way back to the beach Hurley encounters (naked) Desmond and loans him a tye-dyed t-shirt. Hurely tells him that the Others have Jack, Kate, and Sawyer, but Desmond says it's okay because Locke is going after them. He knows this because Locke said it in his speech, which confuses Hurley because he knows Locke is going after Eko - which confuses Desmond, who says he must still be confused from the hatch implosion.

Locke and Charlie return to the beach with Eko, and Locke makes a speech about going after the missing trio while Desmond skips stones into the ocean. Hurley is awestruck by Desmond's apparent clairovoyance.

I didn't notice any cast crossovers in the flashback sequences, although I've seen it suggested that undercover cop Eddie was a cellmate of Sawyer's at some point.

[shadowgate]

Ok, here is the interesting things I gleemed from the episode.

1.) Polar bears are the geniuses of the bears.... These are the bears that "where" in the cage that Saywer is now in.... Sure they maybe normally smart but have these bears been made smarter? They did get the fish faster than Saywer! :)

2.) Did you notice a couple of the other original plane crash group got some really screen time? New blood?

3.) Desmond delusional, clairovoyant, or did he see another Locke? I am guessing there is some important about this.

[Caranthir]

I was underwhelmed.

They did a horrible job of introducing the new characters. When the woman started in on Hurley after he told them about Jack, Kate, and Sawyer, I wanted so bad for him to say, "Dude, who the <censored> are you?"

Next week looks interesting though. My money says that it's Jack Kate is talking about.

[Raveneye]

Very strange episode last night. The airport scene with Boone and Locke gave me vivid Twin Peaks flashbacks. Kate looked amazing in her brief appearance in that little black dress.

Lots of misc. oddness, like Locke finding the Tonka dumptruck in the bear cave. Where did that come from? Was someone living there before the bear? Did anyone else notice the decent sized pile of HUMAN bones in the cave? If the bear ate all those folks, where did they all come from? If it was Others, they would have killed the bear by now.

Desmond seems to have prophetic abilities now. If he was under the hatch, and the hatch imploded, how the hell did he come out unscathed and naked?

Nobody seems to give a crap about Locke, Eko or Desmond having been missing for over 24 hours. Charlie mentions that Locke's been "gone a full day" when he stumbles back into camp, yet in all that time nobody needed to do laundry, grab a shower, or any of the other activities they seem to do regularly at the hatch. In fact, nobody seems to notice the hatch is gone at all. Dumb.

I liked the Geronimo Jackson shirt Eddie was wearing. Nice.

In the end, once again we spend an entire show getting nowhere. Though we find out all three guys are OK and reunited with the other survivors, the plot has not moved forward an inch. Sigh.

[Asharad]

Last episode got me sorta interested in the show again, this episode bored me (and I really like Locke, in general).

I'd forgotten what a handsome man Boone was, but the little spirit vision was the most interesting thing in the piece.

I too was really confused by everyone's reactions to the hatch blowing up. It was like I missed the episode where everyone freaked up, and Charlie seemed not to remember anything at all.

[Erudite]

1.) Polar bears are the geniuses of the bears....

Haha! Animal Planet was running a show about polar bears at the same time as LOST last night. Mel was flipping back and forth during commercials, and every time the AP narrator would say something about polar bears she'd say, "Well, yeah. Polar bears are the Einsteins of the bear community, after all." It was pretty funny.

[Asharad]

Charlie, however, was pretty funny last night and it was good to see a character act like they remembered something (anything!) that happened in a previous episode.

[EricStratton]

Just watched the episode last night. Very disappointing. Joy and I were watching the clock to see how long they could drag out something like just *entering* the cave. Really sad.

[Erudite]

Desmond is really starting to creep me out. Funny line, though. "I'm Scottish."

Poor Sawyer. Don't let your heart rate get above 140 or your heart will explode, and by the way we're going to have Kate change clothes in front of you, so try not to look okay?

Good for Jack, using the same "Why do you let him order you around?" trick on Juliette that Benry used on Locke.

Juliette continues to intrigue me.

At least we now have an idea of why the Others want Jack. Are Sawyer and Kate just to make sure he behaves?

I expected to see somebody we knew in the flashbacks, besides Sawyer's old con victim. If they showed somebody, I missed it. Never figured Sawyer for the dad type.

The second island seems kind of contrived. Not sure what to make of it yet.

[Asharad]

How did the polar bears get from the Others island to the main island?

If there is really an Others island.

[Erudite]

How did the polar bears get from the Others island to the main island?

If there is really an Others island.

They're, like, the Einsteins of the bear community.

Plus, they're pretty good swimmers.

[attriel]

How did the polar bears get from the Others island to the main island?

If there is really an Others island.

well, first they formed a rudimentary lathe, then they built a speed boat.

nota bene: i have never watched this show, so i'm making things up from what you all say in the spoiler threads :o

[Raveneye]

Polar Bears can swim really well, my kids love watching the pair at our zoo that swim endlessly in their cool habitat enclosure. It's not hard to imagine that they swan to the main island in search of food.

I think the second "island" is really small. Benry tried to convey that to Sawyer by telling him the dimensions and letting him look back over the island. I think it's just the location of the aquatic/animal research Dharma base and nothing else really. That would make perfect sense as it would have kept the research animals contained and out of the main islands ecosystem (at least until the disaster).

Things I learned last night:

The purple light afte rthe implosion was some kind of EMP pulse. The Others were talking about communications and satellites being down ever since the pulse, and it makes sense given some of the theories being floated around as to what's happening on the island.

Jack they seem to want for his medical skills. Looks like Benry has a spinal tumor, and obviously Juliette is incapable of such complex medical procedures. You knew right away they were bull****ting Sawyer about the pacemaker, cause if they can't save their friend who got shot they certainly can't pull off heart surgery.

Kate is probably there to insure cooperation. Sawyer seems to be being prepped for something, my guess is to be sent back to the LOSTies as part of an elaborate con of some sort.

There is obvious dissention in the ranks of the Others. Aside from the French woman's daughter, who seems to be actively rebelling, there is Juliette, who seems discontent with the status quo, and now Raging Guy, who's desire for revenge on the LOSTies will eventually cause him to do something Benry doesn't want him to do. The whole group seems on the verge of falling apart.


As for those theories, the best one I've seen so far contends that everything related to the Others and the Dharma group can be explained by a single unified concept, nanotechnology. If Dharma was trying to use nanites to cure disease, and it somehow got out of control or backfired, it would explain a lot. The hatch was a failsafe, generating a magnetic field around the island that kept the nanites in and most everything else away. The purple light on the implosion was an EMP designed to destroy the nanites in the event of a breech. The black cloud monster is actually a swarm of rogue nanites. The healing powers of the island are a direct result of the nanites doing what they are supposed to do. Somehow though, the project went wrong. Maybe the nanites change the people they heal somehow, possibly making them sterile (Juliette is a fertility doctor after all), so if they got out and were introduced into the general population a disaster of epic proportions would ensue (the end of man). The Others are there to try and turn it around, but can't leave the island until they do as they have nanites in their blood. The blood tests on Michael and Walt (among others) were to check for contamination. Anyone uneffected (like Michael and Walt) could be allowed to leave, everyone else (like Locke) would have to stay on the island.

It's just a theory, but it's a damn good one. Pretty much the best I've seen so far.

[EricStratton]

The second island seems kind of contrived. Not sure what to make of it yet.
Oahu I think.

Kinda boring episode. I really don't care much about any original survivor's back story at this point. Sawyer conned a guy?! Nooo! :roll: There may or may not be a second island? Nooo! :roll: Kate may or may not love Sawyer? Nooo! :roll:

Come oooooon, move it! W/ the speed a show like Jericho is going (and to a lesser extent Heroes), this slow ass pace just isn't going to cut it for me much longer (and by "much longer" I, of course, mean if these keeps up past season 6 I'm out of here).

[Asharad]

That looked like a good two-two and a half mile swim though. I know polar bears are good swimmers...but still, thats a long ass way.

[Caranthir]

Maybe they hitched a ride with the sharks.

[Erudite]

Ya made me curious.

Polar bears drown as ice shelf melts (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1938132,00.html)

"We know short swims up to 15 miles are no problem, and we know that one or two may have swum up to 100 miles. But that is the extent of their ability, and if they are trying to make such a long swim and they encounter rough seas they could get into trouble," said Steven Amstrup, a research wildlife biologist with the USGS.

Apparently they define "short swims" a bit different than I do (kooky wildlife biologists).

[Asharad]

Ah ha! Well...there ya go.

[Caranthir]

Was anyone else hoping to see Desmond beat the new guy to death with his five iron?

[shadowgate]

Was anyone else hoping to see Desmond beat the new guy to death with his five iron?

LOL! Just a guess but he is the latest red shirt...


Ok, nano tech has always been one of my guesses on why people where being "healed" but there still are questions of other strangeness around the island that can't be explaigned by that (pirate ship, four toed foot, and square donut rock). I can see them going to this island due to its supposed "spiritual" nature... some kind of geo-magnetic thing... and how that could help or suppress working with this kind of tech. Nano tech is basically techno magic and can explaign lots of weirdness and would have been seen in the past as magic and probably still would seem that way...

[Asharad]

My problem with Lost, in general, is that it is the tv equivilent of a pyramid scheme.

They answer a few questions, but mostly just pile on new questions so you forget about the old ones.

[Raveneye]

My problem with Lost, in general, is that it is the tv equivilent of a pyramid scheme.

They answer a few questions, but mostly just pile on new questions so you forget about the old ones.

I honestly think that the writers and producers read the fan boards not out of any sense of pride or commitment to thier fanbase, but in the vain hope that somebody somewhere will come up with a plot device and theory that ties everything together neatly and they can just swipe it.

[Caranthir]

LOL! Just a guess but he is the latest red shirt...

My problem with the new people is: 1) they're just suddenly there (I would have liked to have them at least shown in the background for a couple of episodes to establish that they are there); and 2) they appear, at least so far, to be nothing more than Hispanic-Sawyer and Bitchy Chick redux.

I think my biggest problem, though, is that they barely had time enough for the existing characters, even before adding Desmond and the Others, to need to be adding more. Especially redundant ones.

[Erudite]

They don't seem to be very significant characters, at least not yet. I'd be surprised if they had much more of a role than do Bernard/Rose - which is fine with me. As shocked as I was by Ana Lucia/Libby last year, and the apparent permanent release of Walt/Michael, I thought it left room for more story development and focus on the other characters. The prominence of the Others this season has taken away from that, though. :~

[shadowgate]

Serenity's Fillion On Lost

Serenity star Nathan Fillion guest-stars on the Nov. 8 episode of ABC's hit series Lost, "I Do," which also marks the decision by Kate (Evangeline Lilly) to hook up with either Jack (Matthew Fox) or Sawyer (Josh Holloway). Fillion will play a character named Kevin in the episode, which is the last new one for a while as the series takes a 13-week hiatus, returning in February.

In "I Do," Jack makes a decision regarding Ben's (Michael Emerson) offer, Kate feels helpless when it looks like an angry Pickett (Michael Bowen) is going to make good on his threat to kill Sawyer, and Locke (Terry O'Quinn) discovers a hidden message that may guide him through the next steps on his journey to unlocking the secrets of the island.

"I Do" was written by Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse and directed by Tucker Gates. It airs at 9 p.m. ET/PT. http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/images/spacer.gif

[Caranthir]

Plus, you have Charlie, Claire, and Hurley being reduced to bit characters. They need to reduce their numbers a bit, not keep adding more.

Apparently they suffer from Robert Jordan's disease. :lowrazz:

[Caranthir]

Ok, that <censored> sucks.

[Khamon]

/agree - Better not get arrested in Hawaii, remaining Losties - yeesh!

One thing that could go along with the theory RE posted above - Each time Ecko could go no further, the black cloud came by. Each time he seemed to regain strength. This could be written off as fear, but the first time it went by very quickly in the back ground and Ecko didn't notice it. From what I can remember anyways.

I'm wondering where the mechanical side of this beast went. Remember the chains that almost dragged Locke underground in season one?

Also, how the $^@! did Sayid get all the way back to camp already? They could have dragged that hike out for six episodes at least! ;)

[Asharad]

I think the black cloud is some sort of nano-technology.

Sad to see Locke go.

New castaway woman is really, very attractive. There were very few ugly people on this flight.

[Erudite]

Ok, that <censored> sucks.

Yep.

Eko - dead.
Libby - dead.
Anna-Lucia - dead.
Goodwin - dead.
Bernard - reduced to a bit character.
Cindy - missing (although rumored to reappear this season).

Why, again, did I watch last season?

This is the first time that I've been really frustrated by the direction the story has taken.

[EricStratton]

/agree - Better not get arrested in Hawaii, remaining Losties - yeesh!
Had Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje been arrested?

Yeah, crappy episode. I knew one of the major cast was going to die (they said it in all the interviews) but didn't think it'd be Eko. Guess I should've known. Figured they'd do it in next week's episode, tho.

So is blonde captor still playing Jack? B/c her "movie" says to ignore everything she says and at one point she says something like "You can trust me". Nice to see Ben caught off guard tho.

[Erudite]

I'm reading at EW.com this morning (because I usually read the episode recaps, as I often miss character cameos in flashbacks and like to know about them), and I found this - which amuses me. :lowrazz:


A couple of weeks ago, I shared with you my theory that the exec producer of Heroes, Tim Kring, and the exec producer of Lost, Damon Lindelof, are in a secret creative alliance, and that their respective stories share a common backstory mythology. To wit: The Hanso Foundation/The Dharma Initiative is the agency responsible for the outbreak of super-powered humans in Heroes.

In response to the theory, Kring, who happens to be good friends with Lindelof, revealed that the two men have indeed discussed the idea of creating some kind of creative synergy between the two shows, although the reality of Lost and Heroes being on separate, competing networks makes that somewhat complicated if not impossible.

I recently had the chance to run all of this by Lindelof. For the record, when I asked him if it was true that he and Kring had discussed the possibility of a Heroes/Lost team-up, this was his reaction:

''Totally true. And if Hiro can teleport ANYWHERE, wouldn't YOU watch him team up with Hurley to find the rest of that four-toed statue?''

[Raveneye]

''Totally true. And if Hiro can teleport ANYWHERE, wouldn't YOU watch him team up with Hurley to find the rest of that four-toed statue?''

Hell yeah I would! :smile:

Nikki and Paulo seem like "replacement" characters for all the lost LOSTies. I mean, forget that Boone and Shannon were gone by the start of Season 2, we've since lost all the tailies except Bernard (who disappeared with Rose into the background). Now with Jack, Kate and Sawyer off on their own adventure, Claire tied to the baby, and Jin and Sun having issues of their own, the remaining LOSTies need a couple of people to interact with. In come Nikki (who is damn fine) and Paulo.

Anyone else notice that they seem to be a subtle nod to the "fans"? Paulo is hilarious in his sarcastic near-apathy for everything that's happening, much like many fans recently, and Nikki is the one who makes the common sense observation "hey, anyone try these other TVs?!", kind of a nod to all the fans who wish the LOSTies would use their brains a little more. Seemed that way to me at least. Anyway, both are credited to the cast for many episodes this season, so I think we'll see more of them to come.

As for last night's plot advancement...it's pretty much playing out as expected. The Others are split, some want a change, others are hanging with Benry. Benry wants Jack to fix him, though he's got a damn funny way of going about it. Kate and Sawyer are most likely insurance for Jack's good behavior. I assume "eye-patch man" and his computer setup was the guy in the control room at the Hydra station where Jack, Sawyer and Kate are located, as it's the only station remaining that still works. On the other hand, the tailies did find that bible and glass eye way back when, so he could be a total third party, leftover from Dharma or something...

Sad to see Eko go, I really liked his character. I can see why they did it though, as he'd be too big of an advantage in any fight with the Others, it's hard to believe he wouldn't just walk in and kick all their pasty little asses. Goodbye Mr. Badass Eko, we'll miss you.

After last night's reappearance of the "monster", which seems to be able to either project or assume a human form, I'm more and more convinced that it's nanites. Since Eko's brother's body was missing, just as Jack's dad's was in Season One, and then both appeared "in the flesh" to their respective relatives, it would seem to indicate that the nanites (or creature) can assume the form of a body it absorbs.

[Khamon]

Was looking at various forums last night and saw this. Nothing ground breaking, but kinda neat if it's true: Remember when Hurely and Sayid were working on a radio quite a while ago and suddenly picked up music? I wonder if it was from an Other's funeral. Maybe for the people the tailies killed on the beach?

I was joking, but he really was arrested recently, Pats. One rumor I read was that his departure is due mostly to conflicts on the set. It claimed he often demanded script rewrites, incorperated his own religous beliefs into his character's story, and has other projects on the horizon that will take up much of him time. But, that is just talk. Eko shall be missed.

I wonder if Hurley's imaginary friend was really the "moster" testing him. The Boone in Locke's sweat lodge vision also, who seemed to offer a lot of information about the dangers the other LOSTies will soon face. I wonder if there's more than one monster. Locke clearly said his was a beautiful bright white light.

When I first saw eye patch guy, I thought of the guy that shot himself in the swan with Kelvin. Someone's connection above with the glass eye makes more sense though. The hatch the tailies found was in ruins and looked like some sort of explosion/fire occured. Maybe they found recorded footage, rather than a live feed of that station?

[shadowgate]

I think the nano-monster just reflects what is in peoples minds and Eko was ready to die.

[Erudite]

Jack is all badass and angsty.

Kind of a frustrating place to leave the storyline hanging until February, I thought.

[shadowgate]

Yeah, was expecting a cliffhanger but that is kind of a "messy" one. Was also kind of expecting some more background on Ben or Juliet.

[Caranthir]

But it had Nathan Fillion!

[EricStratton]

Disappointing episode (well, at least they have *that* theme going).

So her backstory was supposed to give us insight as to why she doesn't want to leave Sawyer or something? Silly. I've just about had it w/ the backstories. I don't care anymore about who they were. I wanna know about the island, dammit!

[Raveneye]

Well, at least this explains why Mal was all grumpy and sour on Serenity. If I'd been doinking Kate and she drugged me and left me, I'd be pretty surly and messed up too. :smile:

Kind of a ridiculous episode premise. Basically Kate misses her "husband" and regrets what she did to him, so she'll just jump Sawyer's bones and all will be right with the world.

The only thing I liked about the episode was that Jack found a way to stick it to BOTH Benry and Juliet. Too bad he doesn't know about the island not being "the island". But...Locke and the cavalry will come and save the day at some point. Eko's magic beatdown stick will show the way.

[Caranthir]

Jack has a big brass pair, although I think if all things stay as they are now (which they won't) he'll be sacrificing himself for the woman he loves (no way do the Others let him just walk out after doing this). So my guess is in the first couple of spring "season" episodes, Juliet turns on the Others and helps Jack escape, possibly joining him.

Still don't see the point of Nikki and Paulo.

[Erudite]

Still don't see the point of Nikki and Paulo.

They're purty. Duh. :lowrazz: ;)

[Khamon]

Go Jack!

Heard the name Jacob (I think) as the one who made the "list" from Colleen's husband as he was getting Sawyer out of the cage. He said something like Shepard wasn't even on Jacob's list. So, I guess Benry made a revision to save his own skin? Have we heard the name Jacob referenced anywhere before?

It also sounded like they killed the kid that tried to help Sawyer escape, but that whole episode with Russo's kid could have been staged to make Ben's threat more believable to Kate.

We also found out that they are building something, "something big" as Kate described it, on the second island.

Another meh espisode overall, I was looking for a bigger cliff hanger. I mean John's hyped shocking discovery was the same message on the same stick we've already seen once.

[Erudite]

*nudge* (so I have an easier time finding this tomorrow night...)

It's back! New time (10pm EST) tomorrow night. :mrgreen:

[Asharad]

Has anyone else sort of lost (ha!) the love for this program?

I know it is on tomorow, but I am having difficulty mustering any excitement.

[EricStratton]

You're not alone on that feeling, Ash.

[Caranthir]

Has anyone else sort of lost (ha!) the love for this program?

I know it is on tomorow, but I am having difficulty mustering any excitement.

Same here.

[shadowgate]

I still like the show but they do have to do something in tomorrow show to really hook people back into it; especially after the long hiatus!

[Raveneye]

My local paper had an article about the return of LOST. In it, the series producers were very careful to state (several times) that the remaining 16 episodes this season will be much more like Season One, returning to the beach people and reuniting everyone for some good old-fashioned "mysterious mojo" that made the show so popular to begin with.

The whole article came across as very apologetic, as if they knew they'd screwed the pooch the last year or so and were trying to tell people to hang in there cause it gets better.

We'll see...

[Erudite]

I like Juliette. Very interesting to see her as this shy, quiet, mousy researcher in flashbacks and then see the very dark edge she's developed as a result of the position she's been put in. I do have to say, though, that the bus thing was entirely too predictable.

I'm very curious about Alex now. Several times during this episode, Ben is referenced as her father. Is the assumption that French chick is her mother wrong? I really think not, but the show has taken strange turns before.

Nice to see Ethan in flashbacks again. Dude is seriously creepy.

Now that Sawyer and Kate are back on the original island, I wonder how they'll explain never noticing the second island before. Is it hidden? How?

Man, did Sawyer ever look unhappy listening to Kate repeat Jack's story to him. I don't think they're done with that triangle yet. Which is kinda too bad, because I'm a bit tired of it. What happens to Jack, though, now that Sawyer and Kate are free (relatively speaking)?

[Caranthir]

I thought it was okay. Jack's still my favorite character. Judging from that article RE talked about, my guess would be that Kate, Locke, Sayid, and whoever back them up will spring him next week, and Juliette may very well wind up going with them.

Juliette's ex getting hit by that bus caused me to jump about ten feet in the air.

[Raveneye]

The bus shot was very well done, it really did look like the actor totally got blindsided by a real bus. Nice! :smile:

I think the one main thing this episode proved was that some of the Others have the ability (at least in the past) to come and go from the island as they please. Ethan's been with the Others for more then 3 years, yet he was in Miami keeping tabs on Juliette during the time she was being recruited. Ben has now promised more than one person they could leave the island, and they obviously have means of getting back and forth covertly. It's all very strange. Seems they may be having some issues with it now though, given what Tom was starting to tell Jack in the OR. I'm curious how many of the Others are "loyalists" and how many are being held semi-captive like Juliette.

The thing with the kid being brainwashed Clockwork Orange style seemed like just another wacky twist the writers threw in for people to speculate about. I'm kind of tired of those. It would have been better just to have found him beaten and captive in some cell.

Dunno how Juliette is going to explain having to kill Angry Guy. My guess is that Ben will recind his offer because she killed one of their own, and she'll snap and free Jack so they can run off and join the beach party again.

[Asharad]

How did Sawyer know the name of the boyfriend?

Despite myself I liked this episode.

I've actually met William Mapother (Ethan) once. He's from here (and Tom Cruise's cousin) and is actually a really nice guy (or at least seemed so in our 1 minute interaction).

[Erudite]

How did Sawyer know the name of the boyfriend?

He was in the other bear cage (Kate's cage) when Sawyer was originally locked up.

[Asharad]

Okay, I thought that was him. Didn't they (the others) drag him off?

[shadowgate]

I liked the episode. No huge hooks but some interesting developments and our first look into the background of a "Other". I am not even 100% sure "your Dad" is Ben. It still hasn't been made clear that Ben is the true leader of the "Others" even on the island, let alone of everything. We still do not know who the man with the eye-patch is and whatever happened to the black women that seemed to be a leader?

It was also interesting to see Tom not in control and just shown as a lacky. I do think Tom's OR comment was about to say the "purple sky" or EMP had done bad things to the Others systems. We will see.

I did find it interesting that the brain washing was seemingly religious in nature and the bit about change. There was also something in there about people being the cause of thier own problems or something.

[Erudite]

Okay, I thought that was him. Didn't they (the others) drag him off?

Yeah. (I had to check the episode guide at TWoP - been a while since the season started. :* ) He picked the lock on his cage, then picked the lock on Sawyer's cage. The Others caught them both - Juliette tasered Sawyer. :lowrazz: After they locked Sawyer back up, they made the boyfriend apologize for involving him in the escape attempt, then dragged him away.

[Asharad]

I didn't pick up on this, but the name of the reasearch lab, Mittelos Bioscience, was an anagram.

Mittelos = Lost time / Time lost.

[Raveneye]

There was a Mittelos Bioscience website up briefly but it apparently went back down again. Looks like they're paving the way for more smoke and mirrors web content.

[Asharad]

Why did Alex stay? I thought Juilette said that if she didn't, ben would kill her boyfriend. However, the boyfriend went with Kawyer.

[EricStratton]

Why did Alex stay? I thought Juilette said that if she didn't, ben would kill her boyfriend. However, the boyfriend went with Kawyer.
Well, the others can obviously get at anyone no matter what island their on. I figured that was why.

[Raveneye]

I got the impression that Alex was being offered the choice of staying behind in exchange for the Others not hunting down and killing "Cheech" (the boyfriend) if Kate and Sawyer took him with them.

I suspect the whole thing is a setup, though Alex is probably a dupe and not directly involved. Whatever was going on with Cheech and the mind reporgramming will probably kick in when he reaches the Losties, thus Ben wanted him to "escape" at some point with one or more Losties. This was likely just his way of improvising considering the circumstances.

[Asharad]

Well, the others can obviously get at anyone no matter what island their on. I figured that was why.

But they can't.

I mean, look at all the hoops they had to jump through to get ahold of Jack, Sawyer and Kate.

Maybe there was a time when they could (right after the crash) but since then, the others have really been getting their asses handed to them. The castaways have killed a bunch of them, and they (the others) and to resort to extreme trickery just to land J,K & S and even THAT didn't work out for them.

[EricStratton]

But they can't.

I mean, look at all the hoops they had to jump through to get ahold of Jack, Sawyer and Kate.

Maybe there was a time when they could (right after the crash) but since then, the others have really been getting their asses handed to them. The castaways have killed a bunch of them, and they (the others) and to resort to extreme trickery just to land J,K & S and even THAT didn't work out for them.
Meh, they haven't been trying lately. If they put their minds to killing one brain washed guy, they can. Or maybe b/c he's brain washed they can just tell him to kill himself.

But really, everything we see on this show and it's The Other's ability to kill a guy that's not believable? :lowlol:

[Asharad]

Meh, they haven't been trying lately. If they put their minds to killing one brain washed guy, they can. Or maybe b/c he's brain washed they can just tell him to kill himself.

But really, everything we see on this show and it's The Other's ability to kill a guy that's not believable? :lowlol:


hehe..honestly, yeah. really since...about when Ana lucia showed up I guess...every time the others have tried to do anything on the big island they have gotten their lunch eaten.

heck, they had Jack and Kaywer LOCKED IN CAGES and still managed to get ****ed up.

If they were able to just go over to the big island and grab people, why wouldn't they have done that as opposed to the big, complicated plan with micheal.

I find it increasingly hard to look at them as a serious threat.

[EricStratton]

Well, they make Kaywer into super beings. Kate knocked the gun out of that one guy's hand and then spinning back fisted him into unconsciousness. What w/ her weighing in at like 110 and all malnutritioned and whatnot, sure that's believable. :roll:

[Khamon]

Alex was taken from the French Woman shortly after birth if I remember correctly. Ben probably is just the adopting father figure.

Again going from memory, back in an earlier episode Tom said something like Shepard wasn't even on Jacob's list! Myaby that's the pirate, but probably someone else entirely. It does show that Ben isn't top of the food chain however. He is ballsy enough to alter said orders though, so the powers that be might be far away from the island itself.

I enjoyed the episode. Can't wait to see the cavalry come in, guns blazing.

[Erudite]

10pm EST this evening, Desmond-centric. :lowrazz:

Among the questions that will be answered this season (or so say the spoilers), for those of you that are getting frustrated...

Are Jack and Claire really related?
What happened to Cindy?
How did Locke end up in a wheelchair?
What is the link between the Dharma Initiative and the Others?
What is so special about Claire's baby?
And, supposedly, we're supposed to get at least a sense of what happened to the children in the near future.

[shadowgate]

What no comments yet? Thought it was a very good episode and next weeks looks even better!

[Raveneye]

All I can say after watching last night is WTFBBQ?!1one!?

So let me get this straight:

Desmondo turns key.
Desmondo zaps back to the past about two years prior to being stranded on the island.
Desmondo has flashes of his time on the island, leading him to realize he's gone back into his own past.
Desmondo decides to change said past, and Freaky Old Broad (FOB) gets all up in his face about it.
Desmondo gets hit in head while trying to break up bar fight, and awakens back on island.
Desmondo retains some "flash memory" (only of stuff that hasn't happened yet?!) and uses it to try to save Charlie, but realizes it's futile.
Episode ends.

Uh, OK. I was with them all the way through the Marty McFly stuff, but how the hell does going back into the past briefly then vaulting back to the present somehow give the ability to see the FUTURE? Are we to assume that since his mind was exposed to the temporal jibbajab required to go back in time, that it's also able to somehow shoot forward in time for brief moments? Whatever.

Next week better be a good episode that explains some things and makes some damn sense (as advertised) or I'm walking away from this show for good finally.

[Asharad]

Yeah, they spent an hour NOT explaining how Desmond can see the future.

Very annoying.

[Asharad]

Also, was it just me, or was the bartender Locke but with hair and a british accent?

[Raveneye]

I think what they were trying to convey was that it was all in Desmond's mind. That he didn't really go back to the past, it was his mind's way of coping with the shock and trauma of the blast. The EMP pulse seems to have given him the ability to glimpse the future.

They just did a really poor job of making all that clear.

[Erudite]

Haha. Remember the brainwashing scene from last week? Some folks got the bright idea to run it backwards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7swZaOWO3c

[Erudite]

I think what they were trying to convey was that it was all in Desmond's mind. That he didn't really go back to the past, it was his mind's way of coping with the shock and trauma of the blast. The EMP pulse seems to have given him the ability to glimpse the future.

Oh, I don't think that's it necessarily.

I liked the "Dark Tower"ish bit - it dovetails nicely with the King book showing up last season. (Desmond at the end of his flashback, realizing he has the power to change his own fate, when he gets knocked out and wakes up back on the island; as compared to Roland's final moments in the Tower.)

I thought it was a pretty decent episode, although I think it'll be a little bit before some of the ideas pan out for the viewers.

[Asharad]

Yeah, I liked thr dark towerish bit with him going back and reliving the past. I just didn't see any connection between that and then being able to see the future.

[Erudite]

I just didn't see any connection between that and then being able to see the future.

I should really record this show so I can go back and check things like this...but didn't Desmond know Jack had repaired the paralysis of his future (ex-)wife (when they met on the stadium steps), even before she'd started to move again, way back in season one? Seems like a complex story they're setting up for him.

Edit - And, or course, there's always Desmond's signature line to consider too. "See you in another life, brother."

[shadowgate]

Good point, I had almost forgotten that Desmond seemed to know Jack and this was before he left on his sailing race. So either Desmond is more involved with the Darma project/Others than we know or something doesn't fit unless this is "time travel" is true and/or he reads minds.

[Asharad]

Yeah, I had forgotten about that too.

Okay, that's weird because if he could tell the future then why would be be surprised that he could do it now, because by now he would have traveled back and forth already.

[shadowgate]

Aren't time plot lines so much fun? :P

[Erudite]

"Three of LOST's biggest mysteries...revealed!" Hyped a bit much, I think.

Mystery #1 - the significance of Jack's tattoos. Okay. I hope they do more to explore this, because I didn't think it advanced the story (or the character, frankly) that much.

Mystery #2 - What happens to the children? Not much, it seems. They get to hang out in suburbanville. Maybe something sinister happens there.

Mystery #3 - What happened to Cindy? She gets to hang out in suburbanville, too, because she seems to be one of the Others as well. I'm having trouble grasping that one, as she was the stewardess on the flight. Hard to make sense of it.

I can't decide if Juliet is an evil manipulative wench or a sympathetic trapped individual. I do think Jack needs to stop getting wrapped up in every attractive woman that makes goo-goo eyes at him.

So what did we learn besides the three "answers"...

The Others live on the big island and only work on the small island. Ethan was their surgeon (so, of course it makes sense to send him on scouting and kidnapping missions - an expendable resource like that, why not?). Jack is going to hang out and tend to Ben for a while, which means he's likely making a trip to suburbanville as well. Hmm. I guess that's it.

Poor kids. "How's Ana-Lucia?" Er...:roll:

[Asharad]

Dunno. Bai Ling is Chinese. Thailand, like most Asian nations, has a pretty large ethnic Chinese minority. Doesn't seem like a huge stretch to me. Did they tell us she was Thai, or is that just inferred from being in Thailand?

They were in Thailand, and her brother was a Thai chef. I sorta assumed she was supposed to be thai from that. Is there really that huge of an ethnic chinese community in thailand? I mean everyone in the episode seemed to be a part of it if there was.

[Caranthir]

Well, they were in Phuket, a fairly big resort in those parts. There may well be a significant Chinese population there.

I enjoyed the episode in spite of the continued "big reveals that don't reveal anything." But that may be because Jack is my favorite character on the show (followed by Sayid and Desmond).

[Erudite]

They were in Thailand, and her brother was a Thai chef. I sorta assumed she was supposed to be thai from that. Is there really that huge of an ethnic chinese community in thailand? I mean everyone in the episode seemed to be a part of it if there was.

Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_Chinese) says 8.5 million, about 14% of the local population.

No idea of that's the direction the writers were going or not - just trying to make sense of it for ya. ;)

[Asharad]

Yeah, that makes okay sense I guess.

I actually think Ben is becoming my favorite character.

[Raveneye]

I was going to post "WTF were the big reveals" but Erudite explained them already. Yeah, I was just DYING to know all about Jack's tattoos. :rolleyes: That Asian chick was nasty, I have no respect left for Jack now. She looked like a 12 year old boy with breast implants. Ugh.

So Cindy reveals "We're here to watch." Watch what, Dr. Phil? How the hell was that a reveal, we already KNEW the Others had her and the kids. Are we supposed to assume they've all been brainwashed in the Clockwork Orange room? Were they in collusion with the Others from the get go (as in they were sent on the plane with the intent of ending up on the island)? Whatever.

This show is losing me. The more questions they throw out there, the less I care about the answers. I used to love following the little clues and theorizing about the events, scouring all the little internet bonus materials and whatnot, but since none of that ever led anywhere and the writers seem to have abandoned most of those plot points, it's pretty pointless to be a fan anymore.

[GravenStone]

...But that may be because Jack is my favorite character on the show (followed by Sayid and Desmond).

So you know the creators were going to kill Jack off in the pilot episode, right? :lowlol: Apparently a VP of programmming vetoed the idea and after the fact they belatedly agreed he was correct to do so.

[ColonelSanderz]

the only thing that REALLY bugs me about this show is that sawyer has freakishly long arms. seriously, anytime he's walking it's like he's a damn orangutan. it creeps me out.

[Erudite]

Man, I bet it'll really piss Greebo off that I'm bumping this prior to tonight's show even airing... :lowrazz:

Hurley-centric, and Cheech Marin is guesting as Hurley's dad. :rotflmao: This, I gotta see!

[Vayanla]

Did anyone else think they tried to portray last night's episode as a "feel good" episode? Kind of a change.

I think the best part of last night was Hurley outing the "psychic", LOL. ;)

[Erudite]

"You're going to help us."
"And why would I do that?"
"Because there's beer."

:rotflmao:

[Raveneye]

I absolutely think last night's Hurley-centric episode was meant to be a "break" from the rather grim and bleak episodes of the season so far. Hurley even mentioned "needing to have some fun" several times, which I think was the writers talking through the character.

One of LOST's biggest mysteries was finally solved. Why is Hurley a big fat stoner? 'Cause Cheech is his dad! :smile: Seriously, that was some entertaining backstory even if it didn't advance the plot much. Hell the whole episode felt like a return to the old LOST with all the familiar faces and Sawyer back on the nickname binge (I laughed my ass off at the string of them he spouted at one point).

I do have to wonder though, why did none of the original Dharma folks miss poor old Roger and their VW mini-van? Hell, why didn't they at least come looking for the beer? :smile:

[EricStratton]

I thought last night's Lost was sooooo booooooring. Sure it was a break from the grimness but I'm not giving the writers a pass for moving the plot along one inch by finally getting around to tell French lady that a chick that might be (but probably is) her daughter is alive w/ the Others which of course happened in the last 2 minutes of the show.

[Erudite]

but I'm not giving the writers a pass for moving the plot along one inch by finally getting around to tell French lady that a chick that might be (but probably is) her daughter is alive w/ the Others which of course happened in the last 2 minutes of the show.

Well, let's see...

Jack and Kate got back to the beach (which, incidentally, had to happen before they could tell Rousseau about Alex since drugged-up Claire is the only other person to have yet met her). Hurley found a van, with a map of planned-but-not-yet-constructed roads (I'd guess connecting the various stations). Jin is learning English. Hurley was in Australia because he was looking for answers about the numbers. Which specific plot are you looking to have advanced? I think it's pretty clear that the backstory is ultimately going to be just as important in the grand scheme of things as what happens going forward.

FWIW, I really enjoyed last night's episode. Typical Hurely stuff - remember the golf course from season one? Wisecracking Sawyer kept me entertained all by himself with his parade of pop culture references. (Skeletor? Munchkin? International House of Pancakes? Hooked on Phonics?) Sitting around drinking beer with the corpse - very Weekend at Bernies. Joyriding in the VW, a nod to Little Miss Sunshine?

They've been hitting the Wizard of Oz references a lot lately. Henry Gale, the balloon, the dead construction worker last week under the fallen building piece with only his red shoes visible. And Sawyer calling Charlie a Munchkin this week.

And, too, I thought it was nice to focus on the beach people for an episode. Seems like we've been getting a lot of Jack/the Others and leaving some of the show's best characters with nothing to do. Jin and Sawyer together are great.

More plot coming next week, with eyepatch guy making his (re)appearance.

[EricStratton]

Jack and Kate got back to the beach (which, incidentally, had to happen before they could tell Rousseau about Alex since drugged-up Claire is the only other person to have yet met her). Hurley found a van, with a map of planned-but-not-yet-constructed roads (I'd guess connecting the various stations). Jin is learning English. Hurley was in Australia because he was looking for answers about the numbers. Which specific plot are you looking to have advanced? I think it's pretty clear that the backstory is ultimately going to be just as important in the grand scheme of things as what happens going forward.
"Hey, you guys are back! Great! Later." Whu?

"Hey, a van. Let's get it running! We'll have to push it down a hill each time we want it to run but, hey, no big deal." Whu?

Who cares if Jin is learning english? He's has 3 seasons to do that.

Hurley was in Australia looking for answers to the numbers. So?

Which specific plot are you looking to have advanced? Oh, I don't know. Maybe the ones that started *at the beginning of season one*. What brought the plane down, who are the Others, what's the "monster" of the island. I can't believe w/ all the bitching everyone here has done about the snail pace of this show they suddenly throw in a Hurley episode w/ tiny scraps here and there and it's good again? Not me, man.

[Erudite]

"Hey, you guys are back! Great! Later." Whu?
Let's go rescue Jack? With what you told us and what we think we know from the compass point on Eko's stick, we think we know where to look now? Let's get Rousseau to help, since I think they have her daughter?

Maybe you were surfing during those parts.

"Hey, a van. Let's get it running! We'll have to push it down a hill each time we want it to run but, hey, no big deal." Whu?
And the flashback to Cheech's Camaro didn't clue you in to why it was a big deal to Hurley?

Who cares if Jin is learning english? He's has 3 seasons to do that.
Which amounts to about 40-50 days, if I recall correctly, and he didn't start trying at all until they started to build the raft. How fast do you learn languages?

Hurley was in Australia looking for answers to the numbers. So?
How and why people ended up on the plane doesn't seem like a significant plot point to you? :confused:

Which specific plot are you looking to have advanced? Oh, I don't know. Maybe the ones that started *at the beginning of season one*. What brought the plane down
It's been pretty well established that Desmond leaving that hatch the first time, allowing the countdown to hit zero and the electro-magnetic mayhem it unleashed is what brought the plane down.

who are the Others
That's the over-arching theme of this season. You want it in a handy one-hour McMystery?

what's the "monster" of the island.
Yep, legitimate question. We've seen it a few times, but have no idea what it actually is. I rather suspect we won't find that out this season, either.

I can't believe w/ all the bitching everyone here has done about the snail pace of this show they suddenly throw in a Hurley episode w/ tiny scraps here and there and it's good again? Not me, man.
I'm not bitching. I enjoy the epic storylines, the scraps, the hundreds of easter eggs, the answers that lead to more questions.

[EricStratton]

God, I'm really not going to do this but if you enjoyed it, great. I thought it was just another filler episode w/ some plot movement along there at the end. Just another disappointing Lost episode.

[Raveneye]

It was mostly filler, yeah, but Erudite's points are more than valid. We DID see some advancement, as far as they are trying to figure out how and where to get Jack back, they are trying to show that people are pulling together more because as Hurley mentioned in his Libby graveside scene "everyone is scared". Basically they are setting the scene for the changeover of LOSTies from beach lounging disinterested people waiting for rescue to more aware, frightened and active people looking to take some action finally. This all came wrapped in a candy-coated Hurley episode, so it seemed less than it was, but it did give an important glimpse into what makes Hurley tick.

Mainly I was just happy to see the characters themselves return to Season One form. Sawyer had me rolling with all his pop culture references last night.

[GravenStone]

Are we gonna have to separate you two? I swear, separate booths in the Tavern from now on. Sheesh...

[EricStratton]

Are we gonna have to separate you two? I swear, separate booths in the Tavern from now on. Sheesh...
Me and Erudite? Nah, he knows I love him in a "<whisper>Are those guys brothers or gay?</whisper>" kinda way. I just don't feel like trying to convince anyone that it was boring or being convinced that I should be thankful for the scraps that the writers toss to us. After watching Jericho (sans latest ep.) and Heroes I feel like I have a good idea WRT how a plot should be moved forward. Or maybe I'm just jaded. I even get annoyed w/ BSG about the same thing but they didn't have an entire season of nothing like Lost basically did.

[Caranthir]

I even get annoyed w/ BSG about the same thing but they didn't have an entire season of nothing like Lost basically did.

They're giving it the old college try though.

[EricStratton]

They're giving it the old college try though.
They are indeed.

[Raveneye]

Don't get me started on BSG.

At least Heroes and Jericho seem to have learned from LOST, both have provided some amazing episodes chock'full'o'answers lately.

[Prescient]

Best new nickname for Hurley: Snuffy

[ColonelSanderz]

soo, uhh....sawyer's obnoxiously long arms didn't help him at ping pong and they have taken an evil ukrainian man hostage. it's like the united nations are now meeting on this island.

[Asharad]

Also, Sawyer is no longer allowed to use nicknames, which had become my very favorite part of the show.

[shadowgate]

The bet was only for a week. He will be back at it in no time! Love the episode by the way! So are there no Darma(sp) people left on the island(s)? I am guessing there are. So are the Others(The Hostiles) just people that "end up" or where pulled to the island? I can't believe we finally saw the black leader women again only for her to make the eye patch guy killer to protect whatever secrets she knows. Any sites says what she said? One other comment, so is Locke really that dumb or is he just addicted to games? :)

[ColonelSanderz]

the first few things she said was "You know what to do!"

my russian skillz end there.

[Raveneye]

Oh come on, like any one of us wouldn't have been like "A computer with a game! See you guys in 4 hours!" :smile:

I saw a loose translation of the Russian that basically had her saying "You know what to do" and him saying "There is another way" and her repeating it more urgently adding "We can't let them find it", then him saying "Forgive me" and capping her.

The whole mystery of this episode seems to revolve around just who the sides are in the conflict. Captain Patchy's story (that part about him being the last Dharma guy was obviously BS) would seem to indicate that "Hostiles" were on the island long before Dharma came along. Indications would also seem to be that all the Dharma folks are dead, and yet supply drops keep on coming. It would stand to reason that the "hostiles" are the Others, but there are some flaws in the logic.

First of all, if the Others were there to begin with, why would they just sit there and let Dharma construct all this stuff that obviously took a huge effort to build and staff? Secondly, why then kill off all the Dharma people? To take their stuff and get communications and access to the outside world? Fine, but once they had that they didn't use it for anything but recruiting more people to come to the island. So what the hell is on the island that is so damn important to the Others that they won't leave it for longer than it takes to pull a few more people into their ranks?

[shadowgate]

Another good episode(I thought) and next looks even better.

- Locke knew what he was doing with blowing up the build which is good as otherwise they where making him look stupid. Question is why? Never wants to leave the island due to having a good thing here or some other reason?

- Confirmation that there is someone above Ben.

- Interesting Jack small scene. Jack seems to be getting them to let thier guard down fairly well; despite the tatoos warning....

- Jack does have a half-sister.


Next week could tell us alot more with the focus on Locke. Was he seriously hurt and paralyzed or was it in his head? How powerful is the island?

[Caranthir]

My only complaint about the whole Jack/Claire thing is, how are they going to find out? Unless one happens to show the other a picture of their Dad, they're likely to go through the rest of the show completely unaware.

[shadowgate]

My only complaint about the whole Jack/Claire thing is, how are they going to find out? Unless one happens to show the other a picture of their Dad, they're likely to go through the rest of the show completely unaware.

I wouldn't be surprised in the least if they don't say anything about it for a long while or at all. The only way it will come out if Jack is told by one of the Others or gets a hold of some of the Others files on them.

[EricStratton]

Since the Others seem to know everything else about the survivors I assume they also know that Jack and Claire are related.

Locke seems to be out for only himself now. Locke didn't care of eye patch died when he pushed him into the fence b/c, I'm thinking, he didn't want the "secret" about his legs out.

[Asharad]

Thank god they un-douchebaged Loche.

He was tied for first place island bad ass with Sayid for a long time, then all of a sudden he became an idiot. last night though he was in classic badass form.

[Vayanla]

Did anyone else think, "Luke, I am your father" when they watched the scene w/ Claire and her dad in the hospital?

[Raveneye]

So did anyone else think that sonic barrier thingy would be pretty easy to defeat with a running start? I mean it only seemed to extend about 3 feet in either direction beyond the plylons.

Good to see Locke has some kind of alterior motive going on again. Sayid is still badass, and smarter now that the Others have played him a couple of times. Kate is still Kate, thought for a second I thought she was going to shoot Jack when she saw him playing football...

Is it all a con to get the Others to trust him, or has Jack really gone native?

[shadowgate]

I wasn't sure it was a sonic barrier. I was thinking more microwave.... :)

[Asharad]

I was so glad to see that Locke was only playing at being a douchebag and was back to his previously awesome self.

How strange is it that Paulo is the badguy in 300?

[Caranthir]

Holy s***!!!!

[Asharad]

Yeah, that was a pretty good episode.

I think the Others have a shape changer.

[Raveneye]

Locke just continues to **** up. It was so totally obvious that Henry wanted him to blow up the sub, hell the daughter even said as much when she was taking him there, yet he still does it. It would have been way more entertaining had Henry gone to put the chicken back in the fridge and discovered the block of C4 with a little blinky light on the shelf and BOOM!!! then cut to Locke smiling down at the docks.

Was there ever any doubt that it was Locke's "dad" that crippled him? I was surprised by exactly how, and the circumstances surrounding it, but I always suspected his dad was the ultimate culprit. The scene at the start with his "disability" being depression was kind of funny.

So now we're right back where we were at the start of the season. Jack, Kate and now Sayid are captured. Wonder if Kate will do Sayid this time? Locke seems to be on the brink of Otherhood, and where the hell they got his dad from...I'm eager to see how the "giant box that brings you whatever you want" actually works. You'd think at this point it would be filled to overflowing with pizza, whiskey and supermodels given the circumstances. :smile:

[EricStratton]

Very interesting episode. I was surprised at what Ben ended up showing Locke. Guess I shouldn't have been but I was. Looked like Locke's dad had had the s*** kicked out of him. I'm very interested to see where this goes.

I know the writers have said in interviews that they have a plan now (where I guess before they didn't) but w/ the amount of new stuff they throw around it seems like they still don't. More and more questions.

[ColonelSanderz]

Holy s***!!!!

That's exactly what I yelled when he pushed him.

[shadowgate]

Easily one of the best episodes yet, certainly of the season. It had everything, good back story, good relationship story, good creepy Ben story, good mythology, good what's up with the island?? story; really, it had all the elements that make the show as a whole great. And it was all in one episode. I'm glad I recorded it, as I may have to watch it again.

[Asharad]

Ben is my favorite character on the show now.

[Caranthir]

Dude, that was awesome. I'm not sure why they introduced two characters they had to know everyone would hate just so they could crap on them half a season later.

[Asharad]

Yeah I really enjoyed that.

It was like a Twilight Zone episode.

[shadowgate]

Yeah, I DVRed it and at first was "WHAT?" did I record the wrong show? :eek!: Then I was "WHAT!" why are they focusing on these two? Then around 20 minutes into it I was of this is fairly interesting and cool! :lowsmile:So are they dead or are they going to somehow dig themselves out of 4 feet of sand while on thier backs? If nothing else, it was good in that is showed that other people that we see milling around are doing things and not just milling around on the beach for 80+ days! :lowrazz:

[Caranthir]

My guess is that they're dead. The paralysis wore off to the point that she could open her eyes just as they were burying her. It would probably take quite a bit longer to loosen up enough for extremity movement, by which time they'd likely have suffocated.

[Asharad]

yeah, dead as fried chicken.

[Raveneye]

What a shame, I was just starting to like them both. She was very nice to watch bounce around.

For what it's worth, I'd almost rather be watching the show with Billy Dee and the strippers ("Expose!") than LOST at this point. :smile:

[EricStratton]

Finally got around to watching Lost. It was a good Tales from the Crypt episode, but bad Lost episode. Entertaining tho.

[Erudite]

Juliette is badass. And she should wear more low-cut, clingy shirts.

[Asharad]

Agreed and agreed.

Check out the Angelina Jolie true story about a lesbian supermodel movie "Gia." The actress who plays Juliette got a lot of...uhh...exposure from that film (and it's just an all around good movie).

Ever since they hired Brian K. Vaughn to be the executive story editor (around the break) the show seems to have really gotten back on track.

[leng]

I don't watch Lost, but today's PvP (http://www.pvponline.com/article/3257/wed-apr-11) seems appropriate.

[Caranthir]

Ever since they hired Brian K. Vaughn to be the executive story editor (around the break) the show seems to have really gotten back on track.

See, it's really starting to piss me off. Especially since from what I've been reading they're going to add another mystery or two before the end of the season.

I watched Jericho two hours before last night's Lost, and they made major revelations about Hawkins and who is ultimately behind the nukes. Then I watched Lost, where the big %answers% that we were supposed to get were apparently that Juliet was banging Goodwin, and that she may or may not be still working for Ben.

I realize and don't mind the fact that they can't give away the whole enchilada in one pop, but it would be nice if they'd occasionally answer a question of some substance.

[Raveneye]

Loved the scene in the bed with Goodwin, nice.

I think the show is back on track as much as it can be at this point. It's pretty obvious now that the writers are simply going to abandon or ignore a lot of the minor plot points and tangents that were introduced in the first two seasons and make this a drama about LOSTies vs. Others. All mysteries will now revolve around the Others, their history and their purpose, and how the island fits into it. I think they've totally abandoned Dharma and all the mysterious web content and other stuff they pushed on us between Season 1 and Season 2. With all the tail section people either dead or pretty much written into non-existance they seem to have decided they were only good for making us see how evil the Others can be. Many other mysteries and questions will never be answered because there is no way to write them into the story they seem to have settled on.

But, at least they've settled on something. I'm much happier now that we're seeing progress in the storyline and getting glimpses into the past and how the Others operate. I like that it's still difficult to tell if Juliet is working with Ben or playing him to get herself off the island. I like that Locke's seemingly pointless character reversal may actually be part of a grand scheme he's got going, and I like that characters like Sayid and Sawyer aren't as one-dimensional anymore.

LOST was a great show with a lot of potential that was wasted by the writers. Now it's a good show with a chance at redeeming itself somewhat if they can write a coherent plot and end the story well next season (rumor has it Season 4 will be the last, and last night's preview blurb would seem to support that).

[Caranthir]

Actually, there's supposed to be a Dharma-centric episode sometime later this season (complete with a Dharma-flashback, from what I've read). We're also supposed to get a new threat that makes the Others look like Teletubbies.

[shadowgate]

I agree, I think the episode was a good one and like the direction they are going. I also see us learning more about Dharma as we learn more about the Others.

This season all along was supposed to focus on the Others and that is what they are doing. It is a delicate balancing act they are doing between focusing on the Others but not totally leaving the "main" cast out of it. I really think we will see by the end of this who is "above" Ben in the chain of command. I was also not surprised that Juliet was a plant but there is alot more to the story. Even if Ben hasn't made another deal with her or threatened her and they didn't show it... she still wants off the island and is no friend to Ben.

I think it would be great if they decided next year was the last and planned the season that way.

[Asharad]

I swear, Juilette and Ben are my favorite people on the island.

[Erudite]

(rumor has it Season 4 will be the last, and last night's preview blurb would seem to support that).

I've heard Season 5 is planned to be the last. Interesting. I've also heard that they're negotiating with Harold Perinneau to bring him back for part of next season, to tie up the Micheal/Walt storyline for good.

[Raveneye]

They almost have to bring him back, if only for an episode, as it's too big of a loose end to just leave hanging.

At this point, I'd be very happy to see them wrap the story of The Others and Dharma together explaining a bit about what happened long before the LOSTies arrival. That would make for a killer end ot the season. Then next season they can concentrate on the tensions between the two and maybe this new threat they are hinting at in the previews, as well as the mystery behind just what the hell the island really is.

What I DON'T want to see is a few more flashback episodes that creep the plot along, and then a cliffhanger finale that teases you with a glimpse of what the new threat could be and zero explaination of the history of the Others.

[shadowgate]

Yeah, they need to fullfil their promise of this season to tell us who the Others are really and if/how they are tied to Dharma. They need to do this. There are tons of other mysteries beyond this to keep hidden for next year. The Dharma project it self and then what the Others and Dharma know about the island and then what they don't...

[Erudite]

According to Ain't It Cool News, the rest of the season goes something like this...

(4/18) - Desmond-centric
(4/25) - Jin & Sun-centric
(5/2) - no flashbacks; return to the Locke/Cooper story
(5/9) - Ben-centric (woohoo!)
(5/16) - Charlie-centric
(5/23) - Jack-centric (gah! enough already!)

[Caranthir]

According to Ain't It Cool News, the rest of the season goes something like this...

(4/18) - Desmond-centric
(4/25) - Jin & Sun-centric
(5/2) - no flashbacks; return to the Locke/Cooper story
(5/9) - Ben-centric (woohoo!)
(5/16) - Charlie-centric
(5/23) - Jack-centric (gah! enough already!)

That Jack episode is actually a two-parter, for that matter. I like Jack though, so this doesn't bother me.

So Charlie's gonna bite it on the 16th?

[Raveneye]

Hey, as long as they keep moving things along with more background about Others/Dharma and the great mystery of the island (which should be the case if they're featuring Locke, Desmond, Ben and Jack) then I'm happy!

[Caranthir]

My hope is that next year they actually do something with Sayid.

For that matter, if they got rid of everyone but Jack, Locke, Sawyer, Sayid, Hurley, Ben, Juliet, and Desmond, I wouldn't complain too much.

[shadowgate]

I wouldn't have a ton of problem with loosing Jack (not that I mind him) but all the others seem to be tide too much to the story. Jack doesn't really seem to be as much suprisingly...or hasn't been tied that much to it compared to the others from your list. His only tie is his tatoo and being the leader by default. I guess you could say Sayid and Sawyer aren't either but I think they are more interesting than Jack.

[Asharad]

This is pure speculation but what if Jack is Jacob?

[Caranthir]

I find Jack more interesting than the others, actually, but that may be because I tend to root more for the "born leaders/heroes" than others. I think Jack is pretty deeply tied to the story now (and undoubtedly will be moreso after the season finale). He's the one who has the most interaction with the Others; for good and bad he's the beach group's leader; and he's one of the ones who has had visitations from the smoke monster. I'm also thinking that ultimately he'll be the one to face off against Locke.

Honestly, if we're basing it on who's "tied to the story," on my list Sayid would be the first to go. It's like they don't know what to do with him.

[shadowgate]

Interesting yeah forgot about the whole Locke vs the rest of the group (Jack's people) forshadowing from the first season. It was his playing Go and talking about chosing sides. I can't remember all the exact details but I remember thinking that Locke was going to end up against Jack. Again, I don't mind Jack at all but out of your list he would be the one I would chose if someone had to go. Like the others listed more or I should say I am more interested in learning more about the others listed. Now yes Jack may turn out to have more mysterious background on him but it will likely have to come out of nowhere.

[EricStratton]

Finally got around to watching this episode last night. We enjoyed it. Not a ton of answers but at least things seem to be moving along. I want to know how Ben can cure cancer. And what's so intense about the ride in that newbies should be out cold.

I can't imagine that Jules is still working w/ Ben unless he promised her another way off the island.

I want to get back to Locke's dad, dammit!

[Caranthir]

Ok, Jin telling a campfire ghost story in a language none of the others can understand, and still scaring the crap out of Hurley.... pure awesomeness.

[Asharad]

Good BKV written episode.

I liked the picture on the monk's desk (being the creepy ring woman) and really can't get enough of Kate in her panties.

I also continue to really like the slowly reforming Sawyer.

[Caranthir]

I also continue to really like the slowly reforming Sawyer.

I wonder how that's going to work when Locke comes looking for Sawyer to help him deal with his father?

And I'm stoked for the two-hour finale for three words (assuming the spoilers I read are right): Jack vs. Locke.

[EricStratton]

Another annoying episode. I feel like they take us forward a couple steps in the past couple episodes and then a step back in this one. Sigh.

[Erudite]

I wonder how that's going to work when Locke comes looking for Sawyer to help him deal with his father?

And I'm stoked for the two-hour finale for three words (assuming the spoilers I read are right): Jack vs. Locke.

--There is rampant internet speculation that Locke's pa (Cooper) will ultimately turn out to be the guy that conned Sawyer's parents out of their money.

I enjoyed it. There wasn't enough Juliet, though. :lowrazz:

[Caranthir]

--There is rampant internet speculation that (spoilers deleted).

I think it's pretty obvious that Locke's dad is the real Sawyer.

I'm just wondering if Sawyer's going to be doing some backsliding before the season's over.

[Raveneye]

A "half & half" episode. Desmond's backstory was interesting, if a bit redundant. We get that he's got commitment and self-loathing issues already. It was cool to see how he first met Penny though, and he's a smooth talker, gotta admire that.

The stuff on the island was pretty poorly written though. While I'm a huge fan of the Kate underwear scenes (MORE PLZ!!!) and enjoyed Sawyer's banter with Jack, the whole thing with Desmond dragging the three stooges off into the jungle with the camp first aid kit was a bit far-fetched. Camping trips when the Others are around every bend and so obviously hostile at this point? Then the "helicopter" that crashes and yet the pilot is able to parachute out (a virtual impossibility in a crashing copter) and not only gets the chute open, but has time to drift all the way to shore and then a mile or so inland?! Plus. what kind of helicopter has the fuel to fly to this island? Unless it was launched from a ship at sea somewhere nearby.

Still, it's movement of a sort, so I'll take it. I'm going to be royally pissed though if they completely ignore the entire "new arrival" plotline next episode.

[EricStratton]

The stuff on the island was pretty poorly written though. While I'm a huge fan of the Kate underwear scenes (MORE PLZ!!!)
Seconded.

Plus. what kind of helicopter has the fuel to fly to this island? Unless it was launched from a ship at sea somewhere nearby.
That was my thought - that it came from a ship at sea. Penny's ship was my guess.

Still, it's movement of a sort, so I'll take it. I'm going to be royally pissed though if they completely ignore the entire "new arrival" plotline next episode.
I will not be surprised in the least if they ignore it seeing as it's been, what like 2-3 episodes not mentioning Locke's dad? Sigh.

[Caranthir]

I will not be surprised in the least if they ignore it seeing as it's been, what like 2-3 episodes not mentioning Locke's dad? Sigh.

They're splitting things up the way they did earlier in the season. The episode after next is Locke-centric, so we'll be getting our answers then.

Personally, I'd rather they did it this way than bounce back and forth over the course of an episode. Can you imagine how bad last night's episode would have been if we'd had to hop between the campers, the Jack/Kate/Sawyer love triangle, AND Locke and the Others?

This way we'll get an entire episode devoted to Locke dealing with his father.

[shadowgate]

I am fairly sure they deal with the new arrival next week at least to some extent. Love Kate! Even my wife is wow she is so cute! :) The thing about Desmond's story that you are missing is this is the first time they really showed that his visions where real. Yes, saving Claire kind of showed that but this showed without a doubt that they are real and that he has been saving the hobbit (blanking on his name).

[EricStratton]

They're splitting things up the way they did earlier in the season. The episode after next is Locke-centric, so we'll be getting our answers then.

Personally, I'd rather they did it this way than bounce back and forth over the course of an episode. Can you imagine how bad last night's episode would have been if we'd had to hop between the campers, the Jack/Kate/Sawyer love triangle, AND Locke and the Others?

This way we'll get an entire episode devoted to Locke dealing with his father.
Personally I'd rather they didn't wait 2-3 full episodes before going back to what was a major plot twist. I don't care if they devote full episodes to one plot line, that's fine. Just don't wait so long between visiting each one.

[Asharad]

I honestly thought the island stuff was great.

Hurley and Charlie arguing about Flash v. Superman
Jin and charlie whistling the bridge over the river qwai
Everything saywer did (Should I make you a mix tape?) (beating jack at ping pong)
Jin telling a ghost story in Korean and still scaring Hurley
New character
The discussion about how you bail out of a helicopter
The return of the wire
Katie in her panties and throwing sawyer an angry ****

[Caranthir]

"If we don't play every 108 minutes, the island will explode."

If it weren't for the fact that he's getting some from Kate, I'd feel sorry for Sawyer. She's clearly just using him to take her mind off of Jack now.

[EricStratton]

I honestly thought the island stuff was great.

Hurley and Charlie arguing about Flash v. Superman
Jin and charlie whistling the bridge over the river qwai
Everything saywer did (Should I make you a mix tape?) (beating jack at ping pong)
Jin telling a ghost story in Korean and still scaring Hurley
New character
The discussion about how you bail out of a helicopter
The return of the wire
Katie in her panties and throwing sawyer an angry ****
I'm happy that you like that stuff. I might have found it cute if I wasn't so very frustrated w/ the lack of real progress in the show.

[Asharad]

My only question is, how does anyone but desmond have a copy of that picture?

It was taken by a street vendor and never left Desmonds possession. He and Penny broke up immediatly afterwards.

They don't have to answer big questions for me every episode, as long as interesting things are happening.

Plus, I think the begings of a search party showing up with a satellite phone is kind of a big deal.

I also forgot:

The picture of the lady with the ring on the monk's desk.

[Caranthir]

There has to be something going on beyond the "mysterious island with the cloaking device/force field/electrical disruption field." There are too many links between all of the people in the plane crash for it to be simple coincidence that they all wound up on the flight. And too many coincidences just within their own lives (as evidenced with the picture of the lady with the ring in Desmond's flashback), for that matter.

[Aananla]

I'm happy that you like that stuff. I might have found it cute if I wasn't so very frustrated w/ the lack of real progress in the show.
It is also helpful if you read all of the spoilers here before you watch the show. Then, you're not disappointed. We'll catch the last episode tonight. :lowlol:

[EricStratton]

My only question is, how does anyone but desmond have a copy of that picture?
*Only* question? :evileye: :floored:

[EricStratton]

There has to be something going on beyond the "mysterious island with the cloaking device/force field/electrical disruption field." There are too many links between all of the people in the plane crash for it to be simple coincidence that they all wound up on the flight. And too many coincidences just within their own lives (as evidenced with the picture of the lady with the ring in Desmond's flashback), for that matter.
They said a while ago that the plane went down b/c someone (Desmond?) didn't push the button, right? Well, what brought the helicopter down if there's no more button to push?

[Asharad]

They didn't play ping pong every 108 minutes like they were supposed to.

[Caranthir]

They said a while ago that the plane went down b/c someone (Desmond?) didn't push the button, right? Well, what brought the helicopter down if there's no more button to push?

That was the mysterious force field/cloaking device/electrical disruption field.

My point was that there has to be something going on beyond "a bunch of poor dumb bastards go down with their plane and get stuck on this island." Locke is right. They were brought there for a reason.

[Asharad]

Asharad's Crazy Ass Lost Theories

None of this is spoilers, I'm just guessing:


Jacob, the guy in charge who seems to run everything, is Jack. He just doesn't remember.

Ben is Claire's baby.

A large majority of the main Losties are kids/related to Dharma initiative people OR are the Dharma Iniative and don't remember.

[shadowgate]

Not that crazy. There is without a doubt some time "travel" or "warping" element going on here. Possibly an attempt to save the world or something...

[Erudite]

My only question is, how does anyone but desmond have a copy of that picture?

I'm fairly certain the same picture was on Penelope's nightstand when she answered the phone at the end of season 2. Dunno how she got it, but Desmond has visited the past once already (or at least appeared to).

[shadowgate]

Getting the picture wouldn't be that much of a problem. She could have just had a PI find the photographer and gotten the negative or the digital copy. She has TONS of money. This isn't anything for someone that can set up sensor stations at at least one pole.

[Raveneye]

I agree with Ash on the the little things being collectively cool/hilarious, the whistling and the ping pong especially. I meant the PLOT stuff that happened on the island this episode didn't seem to be well thought out. Granted, it can all very well be explained in the upcoming episodes leading into the big finale, but it still left me a little dry this week.

Hell, Desmond's flashbacks were very funny, I think he's one of the best characters on the show. Sawyer has developed into someone I really enjoy watching each week, and even Jack doesn't bug me as much as he used to. Individually, I enjoy seeing the characters interact, it's collectively that they seem to lose some of their luster when they just do things blindly or miss really obvious opportunities to expand their knowledge. That's not the actors' fault, it's the writers'.

[EricStratton]

I agree with Ash on the the little things being collectively cool/hilarious, the whistling and the ping pong especially.
Then you're both wrong. I wouldn't think the chances are good that Jin knows that tune. And ping pong, the way they were playing, w/ soup can tops? I think not.

Discussion over. Both of you now think the way I do about the show. I win! :goodie!:

[Vayanla]

Kate in panties... Nuff Said ;)

[Raveneye]

Last night's episode:

So, um, WTF?! Captain Patchy is back from the dead with nary a scratch on him? He somehow shows up halfway across the island in response to a flare, doesn't see what he expected to see, tries to run but then ends up helping the LOSTies and just walking away. mmmmkay.....

Meanwhile, back at the camp, someone yet again wanders off into the jungle where the Others, deathtraps and smokey the monster all hang out. Is there like NO security at all in this place? We learn Juliet is still working for Ben (big surprise) but also hates him (again, big surprise). Sun is off the hook for having slept with Korean Mr. Clean, and Jin's boys are swimming like Ian Thorpe since his arrival on the island. We also caught a reference to obtaining samples from "Ms. Austin", which would seem to indicate that Sawyer's little con men are hard at work on cracking Kate's vault.

But the real stunner of the evening...the amazing Fangirl who dropped from the sky informs us that Flight 815 was found and that nobody survived. The producers have spent three years adamantly swearing that the LOSTies "are not dead". So where does this leave us? A giant conspiracy where someone replaced the real Flight 815 with a fake full of dead bodies in the "real world"? Some sort of doppleganger theory where the LOSTies are living, breathing copies of themselves? Maybe an alternate dimension/timeline crossover where the LOSTies became stuck on the island while a duplicate of their plane from an alternate dimension crashed and was recovered in the real world?

Interesting...

[EricStratton]

Meanwhile, back at the camp, someone yet again wanders off into the jungle where the Others, deathtraps and smokey the monster all hang out. Is there like NO security at all in this place?
Not sure what you're referencing here. Did I miss part of the episode or do you mean Sun and Julie going off together?

So does anyone speak Portuguese? That's what closed captioning said the chick was speaking when she said (and I had to guess at this phonetically) "Hay yo no estoso" (or "Hay yo no es toso") which Mr. Patch said meant "Thank you for helping me" but obviously doesn't. I think it means something like "There is no " something. Online dictionaries have been zero help.

Oh and Hurley's an idiot.

[Caranthir]

Apparently she said "I am not alone."

[EricStratton]

Apparently she said "I am not alone."
Courteosy of BabelFish - "Eu nao estou sozinho". That *could* definitely sound like what I obviously misheard.

[Caranthir]

Apparently the show's creators have said we will see five more deaths before season's end. I'm pretty sure one of those will be Charlie, and I imagine we'll get some cop-out like Roger from the VW bus as another, but I'm curious as to who you guys think will be the others?

I have a theory that one of them will be Kate. I base this on the following reasoning (please note that some of this may prove to be incorrect and this is just idle speculation on my part; possible spoilers within):

1. I read on Spoilerfix.com that the beginning of next season will see the 815 survivors divided into two camps: one led by Jack, and one led by Sawyer. What would be more likely to split Jack and Sawyer into rival factions than the death of the woman they both love?

2. Evangeline Lilly's RL boyfriend (Dominic Monaghan) isn't signed for next season (this is my basis for believing Charlie dies). Is she really going to want to stick around Hawaii if he's not going to be there?

Anyway, just a thought on my part. Thoughts?

[shadowgate]

Started to write a long note on this show and we lost (hehehe) power here at work for nearly two hours. Anyways....

1) Guessing patchman was faking dying going thru the fence. This is backed up by two things. One Juliet told Kate that the fence wasnt on and I am guessing it hadnt been for a while. Two the beasty "bounced" off it and didnt get fried... sure might work different for people but I dont think so.

2) Guessing Penny is out in a boat which was where the helicopter came from and that is what she means by not alone.

3) Guessing they took bodies from the people who really died on flight 815 and used them to fake the crash somewhere else so people would stop looking for them.

4.) To comment on Carathirs guess: I always knew that they where going to be split and against one aother but I really thought it would be Jack vs Locke... if it is Sawyer vs Jack then Locke maybe one of the 5 to die... If Kate dies the show is dead as there goes at least 10% of the viewership. Sun is hot and all as is Claire but not at Kates level.

[Caranthir]

Ok, that's one of the five deaths we're supposed to see (and undoubtedly the most satisfying of the five).

Good episode. I wonder what Jack and Juliet have up their sleeves. They're obviously pulling some big doublecross on Ben, but I think the castaways are gonna split up before it comes to fruition.

[Raveneye]

That was the most transparent episode of LOST ever. You could see the "big revelation" of the connection between Locke and Sawyer coming a mile away. Hell, the wife and I figured it out as far back as last season when Locke's dad made his first flashback appearances. The only real "mystery" last night was if Sawyer would actually go through with it now that he's sort of turned over a new leaf, but Locke's dad made is soooooo easy for him.

The real revelation last night was the stuff Naomi said about the plane being in an undersea trench and robot cameras having shown the bodies on board. This leads me to believe the crash of Flight 815 was faked and they were intentionally diverted to the island from the start. I still don't get the angle with Cindy, the kids and the others who were taken being all chummy pals with The Others though. The little speech the one guy gave to Locke about Ben being "diverted" by stuff like the fertility issue was interesting though, and it looks like we may find out a lot more next week.

[Asharad]

Also, what the **** are Jack and Juillete up too?

For a con man, Daddy Sawyer showed a remarkable lack of sense regarding how to talk to people.

[Raveneye]

I think Jack and Juliet are about one more smug look away from being gutted and left for dead on the beach by the rest of the crew. When they were doing that whole "Should we tell them?" thing I wanted Kate to bring back the rest of the gang and launch into a "Should we kill them?!" routine. I know I would have.

I think Locke's dad was so forthcoming because he honestly believed he was already dead and this was some kind of confessional purgatory or something. He kept making references to the fact that he believed they were in hell, and being confronted with Locke (especially a non-crippled version) and then Sawyer (another ghost form the past) would only have stregthened that conviction in his mind. Maybe he figured he had nothing to lose by being honest.

It does show though that he didn't arrive by "magic box express". He clearly stated that someone forced him off the road, he was taken in an ambulance, and then woke up on the island. Plus he arrived at the same times as Richard (they Others lawyer?!) which would indicate that his appearance on the island was arranged in advance. The root of which is that Ben is LYING yet again about something, this time in an effort to fool Locke.

[Caranthir]

Note to Sayid: no more telling Kate what's going on.

[shadowgate]

I think Juliet decided to tell Jake what was going on (at least about the Others coming). The quest is why hasn't he told anyone else? The real question is what is the "real" secret that Locke wasn't ready for? Hopefully we will really find out something new next week with the Ben episode.

[Erudite]

So, Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cruse (the producers) were on the Drew and Mike radio show yesterday (the day before, maybe?). They promised some answers by season-end, including...

-What is up with the guys in the Arctic at the end of season 2
-Walt's ability to rejuvenate animals (huh?)
-the "magic box"
-Mikhail's apparent resurrection

They also said the smoke monster will *not* be explained until the end of the series.

[EricStratton]

Finally watched it last night. Interesting episode but once again so so so very frustrating.

[Khamon]

I read that the show is signed on for three more seasons, 16 episodes each with no repeats or breaks.

[Raveneye]

I read that the show is signed on for three more seasons, 16 episodes each with no repeats or breaks.

That's what CNN was reporting. Basically ABC has decided to move LOST back to the 9:00pm timeslot next season and air a shorter 16 episode season with the shows aired consecutively (no off weeks). This is supposed to allow them to tighten it up a bit (less filler to write) and give the actors a longer break between shooting sessions. With 6 less episodes to fill, it's hoped that the quality will be higher for the remaining 16.

[Aananla]

I'm almost to the point where I don't give a rat's behind about the mystery of the island. The castaways don't seem to be interested. Why should I?

I think Lost would have been much better as a 2 hour movie than as a series.

[Caranthir]

Supposedly in the season finale, a "fan favorite will sacrifice himself for the sake of the castaways." And they've said Jack definitely isn't going to die.

My money's on Locke or Desmond.

[ColonelSanderz]

It's gotta be Kate.

*sad face*

[Raveneye]

Hurley. He's leaving the show to do "Up In Smoke II" with Cheech.


Yes, I'm kidding.

[shadowgate]

Charlie

[Caranthir]

Charlie

I'm pretty sure Charlie's going to die in his own flashback episode.

[Erudite]

Supposedly in the season finale, a "fan favorite will sacrifice himself for the sake of the castaways." And they've said Jack definitely isn't going to die.

Seems to rule out Kate/Sun/Claire/Juliet.

I've heard that, starting with last week, five people will die by the end of the season. (Has somebody already mentioned that in this thread?) Cooper was one, it seems foregone that Charlie is another. That leaves three. Knowing this show like I pretend to, I'm going to guess...Naomi, Mikhail, and loveable, affable, fan-favorite Bernard. :lowrazz:

[shadowgate]

Seems to rule out Kate/Sun/Claire/Juliet.

I've heard that, starting with last week, five people will die by the end of the season. (Has somebody already mentioned that in this thread?) Cooper was one, it seems foregone that Charlie is another. That leaves three. Knowing this show like I pretend to, I'm going to guess...Naomi, Mikhail, and loveable, affable, fan-favorite Bernard. :lowrazz:

Yeah, we joked here at work that Bernard and Rose would show up again all of a sudden and then get offed.

[Erudite]

Wow. Didn't see that coming.

:eek2:

[Khamon]

Yeah! I channelled Keanu... Whoa. :eek!:

[shadowgate]

I wasn't totally surprised. Locke backed Ben into a corner. He "had" to take out the threat. Now who is the "lawyer" and so many other questions... :) Great episode!

[shadowgate]

Don't think Locke is down for good...btw

[Prescient]

Rewound and tried pausing it right during that brief glimpse of "Jacob". It was 2 seconds at the most, but brief enough for a short view. Couldn't really get a good look at the face at all. He's got shoulder length hair, maybe brown and/or a bit grey. Looked older, in his 50s or 60s maybe, but that could've just been the bad lighting on his face. Maybe some creative person on the net will have a better picture at some point.

Tried checking IMDB, too, to see if they happened to have him listed in the cast. No such luck.

[Raveneye]

What...

The...

Hell.


Wow. That was the best episode of LOST since the early days of Season One. So much to ponder, so much revealed and yet so many new questions as well. Where do you even start?

How about with Richard being a real honest to goodness Other. Not a fake Other like Ben and the people he brought to the island, but an Other who was there from the start and HAS NOT AGED A DAY in all the time it's been since the Dharma incident. I wonder how many of those people are left in the Others camp? It certainly explains why Ben and other people would be so interested in the island, though the effects seem to be limited in Ben's case, as he ages and he apparently can now get cancer too. No wonder he wanted Locke to study. Too bad that backfired on him.

Locke was a freaking badass this episode. He's the personification of LOST fans displeasure, beating the **** out of Mikial and forcing Ben to spill his guts. I doubt he's down for the count.

Poor Roger Workman and all the other Dharma hippies. Ben is evil, completely evil. Where was the little girl who he was friends with? I assume he killed her in the attack as well? And where the hell did the Others get nerve gas, gas masks and guns from? Were they already in contact with the outside world or did they steal those things from the Dharma people? So much more to that story that we need to see yet.

WTF is wrong with Jack? If I were Sayid and Sawyer, after the flipside of that tape was played I would have tied Jack and Juliet to a tree in the middle of camp and told them as soon as any LOSTie died in the upcoming attack they would both have their throats cut. Why the hell would you withhold information like that from Sayid, Sawyer and the other people who could help you mount a defense? Sure, you might think you have a spy, but it's pretty obvious that spy isn't Sayid, Sawyer, Kate or Desmond, so why not tell them? Stupid.

Awesome episode though, after weeks of "meh" this show finally has me hooked again, right before it goes away for months. :rolleyes:

[Caranthir]

They didn't show Annie, the girl Ben was friends with, during the gassing scene, so I'm guessing we haven't seen the last of her.

Anyone else think that maybe Richard and his group might have been the survivors of the Black Rock?

[Raveneye]

I'm thinking Richard and his gang are the decendants of the original four-toed statue people.

What the hell is Jacob? At first I thought maybe Ben was crazy. Then when all hell broke loose they seemed to indicate that he was a real entity. So then I started thinking maybe he was the island's personification of a dead twin brother of Ben's. When they rushed Ben and his mom to the hospital, maybe there was a twin still waiting to be born that was killing the mom. But I'm not sure that works either. He can't be another true Other, because Richard and the rest have never seen or met him. What the hell?

[Caranthir]

The screenshots I've seen of Jacob in the brief seconds after he throws Ben against the wall look like Terry O'Quinn in some sort of wig.

[Erudite]

Lots going on in this episode.

-I'm not sure Locke is dead, either.

-Ben's mother died almost immediately after giving birth to Ben, 7 months pregnant. Ben's dad blames Ben for this. Women that conceive on the island die before reaching their third trimester. Coincidence?

-The circle of ash around Jacob's house caused me to wonder if that's what gives "body" to the smoke monster.

-Jack came off as a self-important tool in this episode.

-Naomi: "Don't you people WANT to be rescued?" :rotflmao: Perfect.

-The few screencaps I've seen of what is allegedly Jacob are all very dark, and it's difficult to discern much detail.

[Caranthir]

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2007/05/11-frames-of-jacob.html

[Asharad]

That was the best episode of Lost in maybe ever.

Locke is the mother****ing man and not at all dead.

[shadowgate]

Ok, the more and more I think about this I think this is a spin on Forbidden Planet like I said day one with Ben being the person that has his subconcious acting on its own. Ben is the only one that can see Jacob, the 7 month pregnacy thing, and all. The rub is now there are others, especially Locke, that are tieing into whatever this is. So Locke is the a "problem" for Ben on many levels. Ben IS crazy. The big question for me is who is Richard? Was he part of the project or someone that ended up on the island or what? And of course why hasn't he aged ...how long has he been there... what is his game?